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AIBU?

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to complain about this nursery worker? I honestly can't tell if IABU, please help!

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Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 06/02/2013 02:36

DD1 is four. Very verbal, very confident, very physically affectionate. Her best friend is likewise, and they tend to play together constantly, lots of role play games.

A is a new carer in the 'kindy room' at nursery (4-5y/olds), and very junior; because of this, A is usually allocated to general supervision of play, whereas the more senior staff are often doing the more structured stuff.

DD1 and her friend seem to have adopted A as their personal adult playmate, and both speak very enthusiastically about A. Which is great, in a lot of ways; it's nice for them that there's an adult there who is willing to join in their interminable pretend games and things. A seems really nice and has lots of energy, plays chase and gets out drums and generally joins in the fun.

But. DD1 has reported that their games involve "being little girls who run away from the monster who catches them and tickles them". Or "pretends to eat them". Or "ties them up". I don't think any actual tying up is going on, but it's all physical hands-on games. And BF's mum has picked her up early before and she's been sitting on A's lap.

And it seems - although obviously four year olds are not always reliable narrators - that A spends a lot of time playing with the two of them, as in, disproportionately to other kids, bearing in mind that there's a 1:10 ratio in that room. I have had chats with A when picking DD1 up - oh, you're with DD1 and her friend again, they both tell me how much they like you playing with them - that seem to support this: as in, A agrees that they've played together lots, had lots of fun. And this might well be initiated by the girls.

All of this might be initiated by the girls; both of them are very physically comfortable around adults, BF sat on my DH's lap the first time she met him (at a class where the adults were sitting cross legged on the floor), it might be that A is young, naive, wanting to please and not wanting to turn the girls down when they ask for adult company, in order to impress the senior staff and show willing.

But is it reasonable of me to have a quiet word with the boss? Just check whether there's a policy around how much hands-on-ness they encourage? Obviously the younger children need more intimate handling anyway, because of nappies and wiping clean after meals so of course part of being a child carer is being hands-on with kids as necessary. And it's a very reputable centre, I have no doubt that A's qualifications and security check (CRB equivalant) are up to scratch, the boss is very good and very involved. So I'm probably just being precious, right? Only, BF's mum brought this up with me yesterday as well, so we've both noticed and wondered.

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ApplePippa · 06/02/2013 11:04

Yes, I've seen the pied piper effect too. There's a lovely man at my church who helps in the creche and the little girls absolutely adore him! He usually has a trail of them following him around. I think it's lovely to see.

whattimestea · 06/02/2013 11:10

I so wanted it to turn out that A wasn't a male Sad My lovely, gentle natured 14 yo DS is a wonder around small children and is thinking of a future career in childcare. An industry which could do with many more men within it IMO. Its the attitude of the op - albeit a reluctant attitude - that does cause me to worry about others opinions of male workers in childcare - in other words possibly my son. What a shame.

steppemum · 06/02/2013 11:10

do you go to my church apple? Grin

WilsonFrickett · 06/02/2013 11:14

The thing your DM said about boundaries - I know where she's coming from but does she really think no woman ever abuses children?

It certainly isn't too early to start talking to your little girl about boundaries - things like its her body, she's allowed to say no to tickles and cuddles (and make sure everyone (including your DM) respects your child's boundaries on that). That's all good teaching, but it shouldn't be gender slanted.

WorraLiberty · 06/02/2013 11:17

The fact the OP went to great lengths to keep A's sex out of the opening post, screamed 'male' to me Grin

ApplePippa · 06/02/2013 11:22

Grin Steppemum - the man at my church is retired and a grandfather!

Floggingmolly · 06/02/2013 11:23

No, it doesn't sound like it's tipping over into a little bit... kind of wrong at all, based on what you've posted Hmm

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 06/02/2013 11:23

Worra, yes, I was actually assuming that would be picked up, it seemed so awkward to me when I was writing it. I was awfully surprised to get the first responses referring to 'she'. But I guess that we are just so used to nursery workers being female.

(I wasn't, of course, trying to 'trap' anyone, as I said upthread)

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MariusEarlobe · 06/02/2013 11:39

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MummytoMog · 06/02/2013 11:44

All sounds fine to me - DD is very physical with her TAs and teachers (she is 3.5) and we often go to collect her to find her curled up on someone's knee, half asleep. I'm glad that they're fine with cuddling her as she really does need regular cuddles throughout the day.

Wheresmycaffeinedrip · 06/02/2013 11:45

That's awful marius :( they r still so young at nursery they won't understand at all y no one will touch them :(

They all need a cuddle when they hurt themselves! They have their whole lives to learn what a horrid place this world can be, they don't need to be rejected and unloved at three :(

notyummy · 06/02/2013 11:55

I am glad the OP has examined her own feelings on this in such a rationale way. My DDs after schoolclub (4 year olds and up) is run by 2 mean, with lady key workers as well. They are fabulous child carers and run really imaginative sessions. They also run a holiday club as well as dd loves going there (thank god!!) and they do the physical stuff so well, as well as doling out cuddles and care to the younger children when necessary. I am not niave - I know abuse does happen - but I really hope that people dont tar everyone with the same brush.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 06/02/2013 11:59

Marius, that is awfully sad.

This has got me thinking about how I never really see the female carers cuddling or tickling or doing physical play with the kids. Absolutely in the younger rooms they do. Just not the 4-5 year olds.

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TiggyD · 06/02/2013 12:19

He does need to remember that 2% of people (in Britain) don't like male childcare stuff and bear that in mind when with the children. It's a fact. He has to learn to live with it and think about how some things might seem to a distrustful person, but not let it stop him from doing his job. I hope I'm sure all the staff he works with are very supportive of him and will give him advice when he needs it.

wannabedomesticgoddess · 06/02/2013 12:31

2%

yes. Alter care for everyone because of 2%. Hmm

And the OPisnt in the UK.

lockets · 06/02/2013 12:35

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cory · 06/02/2013 12:44

"I DO think this guy is being a bit naive, to be honest. He is way, way more physical and hands-on than the other carers; probably because he is male, sure, but if I were the only bloke in a centre, in an industry which is notoriously suspicious of men, I would probably not be letting little girls sit on my lap. Sad as that is."

As this nursery is not in the UK, the man may not be aware of the suspicions of the UK industry- or if it were pointed out, he may not necessarily see why he should adapt his behaviour to the concerns of a different culture.

Not necessarily because he is naive but because he knows the norms of his own society.

Sunnywithshowers · 06/02/2013 12:46

He sounds like a great carer OP.

WhatsTheBuzz · 06/02/2013 12:47

of course yabu but there are reasons for it such as statistics, horror stories, the fact that there seems to be more women than men working with children (could be wrong of course). Definitely wouldn't complain.

Fightlikeagirl · 06/02/2013 12:47

Where did you pluck that 2% figure out from Tigga??!!!! Hmm

Fightlikeagirl · 06/02/2013 12:53

And Tigga have you never heard of equality??? Would it be acceptable to say that a certain percentage of ignorant people don't trust people from a certain cultural or religious background so these people should be aware of that when they try to do their job?! No, of course it wouldn't.
You are bring ridiculous and attitudes like yours make me very angry.

CaseyShraeger · 06/02/2013 12:56

Fight, it may be worth mentioning that Tigga is a male nursery worker so (whether you agree with him or not) he's bringing to his posts the benefit of many years of experience working with nurseries and parents and seeing how they react to him as a man.

CaseyShraeger · 06/02/2013 12:57

Sorry, Tiggy not Tigga Blush

Fightlikeagirl · 06/02/2013 13:02

Well that's sad then if he feels he has to work like that and if that's how other male nursery workers feel then its no wonder they are so few of them.
Thanks for pointing that out to me Casey.
Sorry Tiggy ( and also for getting your name wrong!)

NumericalMum · 06/02/2013 13:18

My DC had a male nursery worker. He was with her throughout. In her nursery there were quite a few actually. At first I will admit to thinking it was a bit odd as I never imagined her workers would be male but I soon gve myself a metaphorical slap as I work in a very male environment so should be a better person. He was great with them to e honest. She adored him and definitely gave him more attention than the female carers as he was a lot more of a player (as opposed to a carer which the females were)

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