To think anyone who votes Tory is not that bright

[rubberglove]

Even if it is not a matter of wrong and right, surely anyone with half a brain cell can see that supporting an under class that you created in the first place, is essential for stability.

So the renewable energy industry could be single handedly responsible for turning our economy around?

OP I have a feeling that you might be quite young (are you still at school or college?) as your posts sound a little naive. So I'm reluctant to be too hard on you!

But even so ......

People are too stupid to look at anything other than their own immediate interests and are too swayed by what the media tell them to think.

Well I'm off to buy some energy saving lightbulbs. Don't tell me I'm not doing my bit for queen and country

That should have been a

rubberglove

Noone thinks the environment is important or gives a fuck anymore. They only care about economics. I doubt more than 50% of mumsnet even believes in cimate change. Your words fall on deaf ears and it's probably too late anyway.

Clearly you read one part of my post, not very bright if you want to engage in proper debate.

It is cheaper for the government to borrow now to stimulate the economy. Particularly with something as important as renewable energy.

Clearly reducing the deficit and cuts is working out though

I am beginning to see what the Tories are doing. And I am beginning to respect Cameron as a PM too. Lets give this a shot, eh?

Another year, and he might be hailed as the PM who finally got this country, this government and this people on track. The pm who had a BELIEF in the capability of his country men to work, to progress, to innovate, to come though in hardship, despite the Labour party (along with the "old" conservatives" ) trying to convince everybody they have no worth, no value, and cant even be trusted with a job and some earning potential, let alone home ownership and self governance!

(But I have had wine, so my clarity may be questionable)

Rubber - borrow what and from whom?

Money? There is no money (labour spent it all and then some)

Different parties suit different people depending on their circumstances.

What I find relevant and important in my life might be very different from you. Some people are filthy rich (and may or may not pay appropriate tax dependent on their accountant), some may be poor having always worked hard and only made minimum wage, others may be poor and never worked a day in their life but their kids have all the latest gadgets.

Which ever way it it is for you, surely you pick a political party that fits with your lifestyle, needs, and aspirations and ideals for the future.

Nobody should be judged by or have to justify their values or opinions.

I say by all means have an opinion but don't label others because it is not your opinion!

Na, you are the One True Genius and we bow down to your superior knowledge.

Honestly, if it really were that simple, why has no one done it. Not a single government. Not a single entrepreneur.

Actually one of the reasons I voted Green was because he was the only candidate who bothered to come to my door and I liked what he had to say.

I am neither young nor naive. Wish I was both.

We are screwing the planet and none of the major parties care enough to implement policies that will really save the planet and us. It is dim, very dim.

Blah blah blah!!!

you would have to be very "un bright" to vote for the tories next time round.
or have a hatred for the most vulnerable.
anyone who votes for a political party, who has a leader who targets the disabled. whilst pretending to care, has to be very stupid, or selfish

So are you anti Tory because of their anti environmental policies then?

Is that it? Or do you have wider concerns?

None of the major countries care enough to implement policies that will really save the planet, and until they do, anything that we can do from this tiny little island will be like pissing in the wind.

It is cheaper for the government to borrow now...

It's only cheap because the world markets trust the UK not to borrow a shit load of money and spunk it.

PureQuintessence

This is what they want you to think. What they're actually doing is not evidence-based and their policies are rooted in the misguided ideology that the private sector is fundamentally better than the public sector at running everything, because the tories love market-based forces that are profit driven. For example, today the tories outlined theor plans to privatise part of the probation service. There is no evidence that this will be a good thing. They tried to sell off our forests, they are privatising the health service, they have created 'free schools'. They are dicing with establishments that WORK and are incredibly well respected around the world. The tories are nutters.

And most of them don't believe in climate change, either.

Nutters.

I don't know why but it seems sensible to turn the tide of destruction before it is too late no?

It is a sort of linear, short-term thinking, sort of sleepwalking into the abyss.

No empathy for future generations. Frightening.

So, bats, if people don't agree with you they're nutters?

I bet you're converting Tory voters by the dozen.

(And no, I've never been a Tory voter.)

Energy saving lightbulbs are poisonous, and do more harm to the environment than the old filament ones, when they are not disposed of properly. Just look up and see how many local authorities provide the proper facilities to dispose of old ones safely - not many. They are also designed to be left on all the time, to obtain the maximum efficiency and longest lifetimes.
And as for wind turbines, unless they are made of recycled cars (or similar, I am being a tad sarky here) the damn things have the carbon footprint of the average sub saharan nation.
And while the big energy companies maintain their stranglehold on any and all patentable research into non-fossil energy, nothing will ever take the place of King Oil. There is a growing body of research showing that we actually reached Peak Oil several years ago, but it's very difficult to get the big oil companies to release the necessary data.
As that vile warbling diva said "it's all about the money, money" and green doesn't pay.

I don't want to convert tory voters, Shelly, I want to avoid them generally.

Cameron said that most UKIP voters were weird, so I can say that tories are nutters, no?

Historically, it is usually the Right who stereotype the Left as stupid, naive and profligate, and the Left who stereotype the Right as uncaring, nasty and evil.

Nobody who is politically tribalist and subscribes to these fixed ideas can ever see them for what they are. This is why British politics is stuck in a rut.

Pombear the wind turbine thing dives me nuts too. In their lifespan they are unlikely to pay back their carbon cost. Let alone when they are off as it's not windy enough, or too windy . Why haven't we as an island looked at tidal energy?

That aside I hate the sweeping statements of no empathy, lack of intelligence blah blah. Like every Tory voter is sat stroking a white cat laughing manically. I voted Tory. I believe that the welfare state as it stands makes people feel workless and entitled and unable to change. That's awful and my empathy says in the long run the morals and pride of the country will be improved by horrible decisions now. That people's lives will ultimately be better, how is that not empathetic? I believe that we needed to cut the deficit. I believe we need to expand private enterprise to survive.

They certainly are cutting the deficit, the rest remains to be seen at the moment I'm not sure who I would vote for again.

As an aside I voted different parties for our Ward counsellors and the Welsh assembly based on local policies.

It always seems that most of the intelligencia/ literati are Labour voters here. However we don't seem to have a split like America where most of the normal people ( and politicians) are democrats and the real redneck morons are republican to a man (or woman).