Loyalists in Belfast missing a trick.?

[Stoneinwelly]

Watching the news on the rioting in N.I. Aibu in thinking the loyalists could turn the whole flag raising and lowering business to their advantage?
Nobody really notices a flag up everyday iykwim but one hoisted for special occasions would get more attention. They could get the bugle out ,like Ypres,
and have a cake and pictures for really special days like Earl of Essex' B.D.

[bureni]

lol

[LinusVanPelt]

I am a New Yorker who was studying and living in Dublin at the time of the Sept 11 attacks. I had a close family member working in the WTC (he escaped unharmed) and spent that day and the days following it in a state of horror.

I would absolutely, definitely have noticed and remembered if there had been a single report of 'celebrations and flag waving' in Dublin at that awful time. There was not. That is a complete lie, further evidenced by the fact that the person who made the claim hasn't been able to back it up despite being asked to do so.

bureni you are coming across as an ignorant bigot whose only purpose for being on this thread is to scapegoat and demonise the Irish and minimise any part of their history (i.e. the Famine) that people might be sympathetic to. Your ignorance about American immigration history, and your pathetic 'ffs' comment that a black person can't possibly be Irish as well, are just plain embarrassing, but your claim about Dublin on 9/11 is really disgraceful.

[AllYoursBabooshka]

Wow, this has all gotten really nasty, we are kind of proving the rest of the worlds point about ourselves aren't we?

Let's not be hateful.

[AllYoursBabooshka]

x post with Linus.

I agree that 9/11 post was very strange and in bad taste, Perhaps MNHQ can remove it?

[squoosh]

Oh bureni you've truly run out of 'arguments' when all you can do is tell people to go away. Why don't you go the whole hog and close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears.

Great post Linus by the way.

[LinusVanPelt]

Excellent rebuttal, bureni. Really eloquent, and you did well to prove that you're not a bigot at all .

Just one thing, you forgot to include the link to your source about celebrations in Dublin on 9/11. Wiki will do, or even an internet rumour that you fell for. Maybe Snopes, to show that other people think that too? Anything at all to illustrate that you didn't just make it up yourself to characterise the Irish as heartless terrorism sympathisers.

I'm off now. Must 'run along and read book', if I can manage it now where did I put Angela's Ashes.

[bureni]

am I BAD?

[bureni]

But would New Yorkers admit that they did fund IRA terrorists who committed terrorist crimes against the U.K and would they also admit that they blocked the disclosure of the Boston tapes that would implicate known IRA terrorists who happened to be British politicians who funny enough happen to be the same terrorists and convicted terrorists who took the union flag down in Belfast?

[Stokes]

More bigotry in this thread than I've come across in 5 years living in Northern Ireland.

Oh, and I'm from Dublin. There was no cheering and flag waving on 9/11, there was a national day of mourning.

FFS.

[midnightisaplace]

I think what we can conclude from this thread is that there are conspiracy theorists everywhere in the world who feel that people are working against them. The problem is that here in Northern Ireland they get more publicity than in other countries as they have a cause to hide behind.
The main concern of the majority of Northern Ireland is that our country can't afford to spend all this time and money debating a flag. Our politicians need to be able to concentrate on economic and social issues which will improve the lives of everyone living in Northern Ireland. Ministers are having to cancel important meetings in order to spend time debating violence caused by a small minority.

[scarlettsmummy2]

Sein fein DID raise funds in the USA, no doubt of that, however I am struggling to see the link between this and 9 11.

[threesypeesy]

N.I is part of britain therfore should be aloud to fly the union jack. i see no need for a tri colour beside it.

im from scotland but i would say im british before scottish,

terrible to see yet more trouble over the water, but it goes alot deeper than simply the flag they fly

[AhhYouWillYouWill]

As always it's a very small minority giving the rest of us bad name. Don't judge us all by the bigots.

I have a huge amount of respect for Naomi Long and I will be voting for her again at the next election, not only because of this but because when I contacted 3 MP's with a question, she got me an answer the same day. I waited 2 weeks for a letter from a unionist to say he'd look into it and the other never replied at all. So not all our politicians are useless

[TheCraicDealer]

I agree with a PP on the fact that these threads often show how little people understand about NI. And that's no slight on them- unless you live here or do your own reading on the subject you can't begin to understand the nuances of Northern Irish society, not from the occasional three minute slot on the national news.

Flying the tricolour alongside is not a viable option. Although it may represent some people in some areas culturally, politically we are British. They have the mandate, employ the highest proportion of public sector workers within the UK, bankroll our depressing need for a segregated society....etc. And it will stay that way until the people of Northern Ireland vote for that to change.

As soon as this happens and we can vote for a North Belfast (or whatever) representative in the Dail or the Oireachtas then I'll wholeheartedly support the flying of the tricolour. Until then....it's not the same. And if you think this rioting is bad, just try and put the ROI on the same level as the Union flag.

[8175looselipssinkships]

Just to clarify and I may well be wrong but I have double checked It is not illegal to fly a Tricolour in NI. The only flags that are illegal are illegal organisations flags ie paramilitary flags.

If I want to hang a Spanish/Italian/Welsh etc etc flag outside my home or from my window that is not illegal, it may be provocative conduct (legally) in certain circumstances but per se flying a flag of another country isn't illegal.

Its exactly the same as hanging a football flag from your window legally. Which is why if for example a line of flags is hung down a road there is very little the Police can do about it - its a Council issue. In the same way that Tricolours are flown from houses at Easter - not illegal.

[SlatternismyMiddlename]

Bratinghampalace - I would prefer if you did not refer to the place that I live, have always lived, that my family live in and I have chosen to raise my own family in, as "that bloody place".

[Madmum24]

My suggestion is that we consult the Norn Iron census and fly the flegs of every country with a citizen present here in the name of inclusion am I a genious or what?:-)

[AliceCrowley]

Apologies if someone has already posted this:

[BratinghamPalace]

Slat - i am from there. And it is a bloody place. Figuratively and literally. I choose to leave it and not raise my family there. Too many have died and too many are bitter.
And no matter which side you are on it should be utterly embarrassing and almost humiliating to have Bureni posting like that. Although it could be used to show the uninitiated just how crude and basic the whole issue really is.
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