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To not understand why some people write 'kin' instead of 'can', 'wan' instead of 'one' etc?

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FiveSugarsPlease · 04/01/2013 19:07

Not sure if it's just a Scottish thing (since i don't know many people who aren't Scottish), but why on earth wouldn't you just write the correct spelling when it has the same amount of letters as the wrong spelling?

I'm Scottish too, but i don't thing i've ever wrote in 'Scots' before. Lately, I've noticed a lot of my friends texting me in this way, or people's comments on FB.

Here's an excerpt of the latest convo on my newsfeed between my friend and someone he knows:

Yae doin anyhin tonight babez?
Naw, nuhin dawl. U uptae anyhin?
Naw kin a jist cum roon tae yours en?
Aye nae bother. Pm me.

WHY? I realise this is a very trivial thing, but i just don't get it. Surely it would be quicker to write 'No' than 'Naw'?

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MrsReiver · 04/01/2013 20:12

Anyone else seen Brave? My Grandad was from Aberdeenshire so I was able to follow most of what the supposedly "unintelligible" character said as he was talking in Dorric.

MrsReiver · 04/01/2013 20:15

MrsKeith DS came home in primary 1 having learned "head, shoulders, knees and toes" in Scots - and it wasn't for Burns or St Andrew's day either!

Altogether now "Heid, shooders, knees and taes, knees and taes...."

badguider · 04/01/2013 20:16

I remember being bewildered first time my primary school teacher talked about oxters Grin

BumpingFuglies · 04/01/2013 20:16

Ah dinnae ken... Brarvoh MrsKeith Do keep up the jolly good work daaahling Grin

PumpkinPositive · 04/01/2013 20:17

I gather they're being ironic.

Or Tom Leonard.

MulledwineGless · 04/01/2013 20:20

My grandparents speak Doric and I used to LOVE the Broons. Am proud that people are still using written Scots.
Reclaiming language mebbe?

FannyFifer · 04/01/2013 20:22

Love the Gruffalo in Scots, it's a recognised language. Grin

bluer · 04/01/2013 20:24

In response to the exam...I can only answer for my subject, English. There it's a writing exam at standard grade where if the response was a short story then Scots would be perfectly acceptable. I have had pupils writing beautiful stories with either dialogue or full narrative in Scots for folio pieces etc as well. It wouldn't really be appropriate for the critical essay or the close reading as at the end if the day it is English being assessed.
As of next year, or the year after (a lot of changes at the moment), the higher and national fives will have set Scottish texts which will be compulsory, this well ensure that Scots language and culture are covered by everyone.
And yes I do think the snp has a plan...

Amerryscot · 04/01/2013 20:26

My sister writes her emails to me in Lowland Scots. I think this must be a huge effort. It is so much easier to write in English.

When I speak to her, I speak in English, and she pretty much responds in English. It is hard to have a conversation in two languages, even when both have a full understanding of each tongue.

There are some fantastic Scottish words, such a glaikit and besom, which can easily be slotted into English. It's not necessary to do all the glottal stops, etc.

PumpkinPositive · 04/01/2013 20:28

My knowledge of Dorric is sadly limited to Sunset Song. How I loved that book.

backwardpossom · 04/01/2013 20:28

I'm from the north east of Scotland and most of my friends write in a bastardised version of doric on Facebook. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, they're just writing as they speak, but although I speak it when with them, I find it incredibly difficult to write!

BumpingFuglies · 04/01/2013 20:28

Oooh besom, I love that one! My Nanna used to call me a cheeky besom!

PumpkinPositive · 04/01/2013 20:33

"Besom" is nice. My dad used to call me "baw jaws". Hmm

SupermanEatsKryptonite · 04/01/2013 20:33

Haw thirs mair thin a few whae yaz thin type o wurds ohan that faceache ye ken. Ah kin mik oot aw ae it entirely, evin eftir beein doon in Hampshite fur ower 13 years. Fair brings a sheen tae ma glass even.

SupermanEatsKryptonite · 04/01/2013 20:33

We got bizzum instead.

mrscumberbatch · 04/01/2013 20:34

I don't use Scots/doric etc much when writing often.

It's usually for comedic effect or to emphasise a point.

ie: Friend on FB posts that she has dropped a vase -cue a billion posts of:

"Thurrs been a murrddurrr" "Eejit" etc.

Where can I buy The Gruffalo in Scots eh????

OverlyYappyAlways · 04/01/2013 20:35

Oh it annoys the life out of me too

Aye a ken hen.... Who is a hen and who is Ken?

SupermanEatsKryptonite · 04/01/2013 20:36

Ma maw goat ma bairns The Sleekit Mr Todd. They didnae huv a scooby here

SupermanEatsKryptonite · 04/01/2013 20:38

Overly are ye in Central Scotland? They love a bit of hen, ken and annoys the life oot a me.

Amerryscot · 04/01/2013 20:38

As for exams, it is funny, I was just reminiscing about this today in anticipation of our Burns Supper.

I did Higher English back in the 80s. I think I did my poetry question on Burns (most probably Tam O' Shanter). It was pretty easy to discuss Scots vocabulary. It was much easier to find something interesting to write about with this element compared to an English poet.

We read a lot of Scots literature, eg RLS and Lewis Grassick Gibbon, and they were written in English with a few scots words. They were not written in vernacular, or the old fashioned equivalent of text speak. Writing was fairly formal and the formal language was English.

Celticlassie · 04/01/2013 20:43

But you don't WRITE in dialect, you SPEAK in dialect. This was a written conversation and, as such, should not be in dialect. Using words such as 'besom' is different, as there is no direct translation, but to say 'naw' instead of 'no' is just ridiculous, imo.

LindyHemming · 04/01/2013 20:43

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MrsKeithRichards · 04/01/2013 20:45

I got it on Amazon

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tittytittyhanghang · 04/01/2013 20:46

loving this thread, ken bugs the shite oot my dp, cos im bad for saying it all the time, ah ken or yi ken! I tend to write pretty much scots on fb, no so much on here cos I cant be arsed wi all the shitty comments id probably get!