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AIBU?

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Apparently I'm a bastard...

39 replies

WhoPutTheDickOnTheSnowman · 23/12/2012 07:07

So Christmas plans have been made here months in advance to fit around work plans and the plans of both families.

Relevent part is visiting DHs family after Boxing day this year, usually we split Christmases between mine/his family (so each set of GPs gets the kids on the day - our families don't mix...ahem) and this year would be their Boxing day visit - a much missed family member is coming back to the UK and is going to be at my families xmas camp for boxing day this year -I wanted to see him and so did DH; he rang his parents (about September) to chat about this and ask if they minded and what they would prefer to do visiting wise, they were welcome to our house, we could visit another day whatever. PILs said not fussed as SIL would be down for the whole holiday so could just do 'second Christmas' all got arranged remarkably smoothly.

Today MIL phones up and says we must come on Boxing day or not at all, it's their right to see the DCs and this year is their Boxing day visit. My family are monopolising us again and she just wont stand for being treated so badly because I don't like them. After about 10 minutes of arsiness I tried to ask why the change of heart, I never meant it to be malicious it was purely circumstance that we could see relative for the first time in ages as he won't be back next year on 'my' Christmas. Even after explaining the DC would be very hurt and sad if they couldn't see PIL as they look forward to their visits (which is what she claimed to want all along) she said it was tough and she would explain why it was me that made them upset by being such a manipulative bastard (bastard, really!) and trying to cut PILs out. I just hung up at this point because I am not standing for that. The DC will be upset either way - not seeing uncle or not seeing nanny and grandpa, I have only recently told them he's coming as I thought it was all planned and he wanted to Skype them about the visit.

The point is - she's right I don't like them. They're horrible people that treated DH very badly and still do to a certain, now limited, extent. They were fuckers to me until I told her to wind her neck in. The ONLY reason we still see them is because they are actually nice grandparents and haven't started any BS with the children. The children love their GPs and DH and I are willing to see them and be nice to facilitate the relationship. I left the choice to DH and support his decision (which I wouldn't have if the DC were at risk of toxicity if I'm honest).
I have a similar set up in that I stopped contact with my father and my mum is 'limited access only' but the rest of my family are great. They love us and welcome DH with open arms. They love him and he them, he has independant relationships with them to so it's not only through me that he sees them. He has become number 2 son. He prefers to see my lot and would gladly spend all the holidays etc with them and not see his family.

Now I don't really know what to do - I want to call her on it and tell her to fuck off then, Dh is in general agreement but a little more ambivalent about it. He's torn, of course he is. But then I think I really don't want to hurt my children just because MIL is an arse. I have said we will not change the plans now, MIL will not be speaking to DCs as I'm fairly sure she will break her no BS track record and we re-visit it when she's calmed down.

What do I do? Either she will refuse to see them to punish us by making my DC upset or she will go completely the other way but only if we cave and do Boxing day.
I really don't want to make amends and upset the people that support us most to get her back on side.
I don't want to hurt my children and DH by pre-empting her decision (to punish or not punish) and telling her to jump.
If she doesn't get her way she will be awful - but not to my children just to us, I can fudge the truth a bit so DC not upset because as long as MIL is pacified she won't disabuse them of the lie. But even if I pretend it's for a good reason our DC will still be punished indirectly - this says all I think I need to know but...

AIBU to tell her we are not going to see them again because of her continued behaviour, even though this too will upset our DC and DH probably after the relief, or am I treating the GP/DC's good bond with too little respect because of my personal opinion of them?

Thank you for reading my novella
The Christmas Bastard.

OP posts:
BelleDameSousMistletoe · 23/12/2012 08:01

Your MIL is being "toxic" to the children already though. She clearly doesn't actually care that they will be upset so long as she gets her way. She's using them to manipulate you and your DH. I'd be wondering if that's why she's been such a good grandmother. Which is quite a cynical perspective but she doesn't appear, from this thread, to be concerned about anyone but herself.

KenDoddsDadsDog · 23/12/2012 08:08

Ignore bruxeur, always posts shite.

bruxeur · 23/12/2012 08:11

So why ask, Zombies?

Dog - nice stalking. Who are you?

Shakirasma · 23/12/2012 08:12

So she is planning on telling children nasty lies about their mother, such as saying she stopped her seeing them at Christmas and is a manipulative bastard.

Sound very much like toxic BS to me!

ZombiesAreClammyDodgers · 23/12/2012 08:13

bruxeur it's called being polite and suggesting something with the hope that the other person might see it, without one's having to spell it out.
Thanks ken- I will ignore.

KenDoddsDadsDog · 23/12/2012 08:15

Has something changed with his sister's visit that has made this happen do you think?
Or is it just normal wind up. I would stick to your plans - even if you do on Boxing Day it will be full of resentment.

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter · 23/12/2012 08:16

Ok was gonna play devils advocate and say she's missing the gc. It must be hard a crimbo with no little people and with a grand child you know how precious each one is. But given she's others, I'm guessing she is getting to see those?
I'd plan it for another day Xmas eve maybe? But I would have the 'I'm sorry it upset you, you did say it would be ok. I'm hurt my your comments' convo.
I think without hindsight you don't know she's going to be a pain in the arse when the kids are older so I wouldn't necessarily back off total contact - sounds like everyone's getting something from it. But I would limit it.

bruxeur · 23/12/2012 08:18

I just thought you were a bit uncertain. I'm with S Fry re your state of offense, by the way. Do you follow all those people making "cut off his balls" comments around the boards, whining at them too? Or is your moral compass a bit one-directional?

SantasENormaSnob · 23/12/2012 08:27

Agree with callin and belle.

The toxicity has already started.

Swearing at you, changing plans then hurting dc if she doesn't get her own way, bleating about her rights...

I would absolutely cut contact completely. She wouldn't see me or my dc for dust.

sashh · 23/12/2012 08:34

Phone up and say

No I don't like you, but this is not the reason we intend to visit on the 27th.

We are only in contact because you are good GPs.

If you try to hurt me and dh by using your GC as tools you will never see them again.

We will arrive at youre 27th x time. If you don't want to see us then we will come home.

CailinDana · 23/12/2012 08:41

I'm not trying to get at you, honestly. I can totally understand where you're coming from. I have something of a similar issue with my own parents. Deep down I feel like I shouldn't let them have any relationship with my DS because I know in the future they will hurt him badly, that's just how they are. But up until recently they were good GPs so I let them have a relationship with him more for their benefit than for DS's as he is only 2. Well now my so called father isn't going to bother coming to see DS for Christmas. Already a taste of what's to come in the future. And I'm wondering if I should just tell him to stay away completely from now on - I just don't want DS to experience that feeling of "why can't he be bothered to see me?" when he's old enough to understand that granddad could come to see him but just can't be arsed. It's hard. I partly think it would be better for DS not to develop any relationship at all with his granddad because I know he will be let down in the future (again). But it's hard to make that decision - it seems so extreme.

Things are simpler with my mother as she'll make the basic effort but if anything ever happens to DS in terms of illness or injury I'll have to cut my mother off because she will hurt him. I know that. And again I wonder should I just stop it all now.

It's a minefield.

NcNcNcNc · 23/12/2012 08:47

OP - I'm having similar issues on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1641894-to-keep-dc-away-from-MIL-not-usual-MIL-type-stuff-WWYD-LOOONG

also good grandparent/shit mother type stuff, the answers on there might also help you Smile I feel your pain.

clam · 23/12/2012 11:17

You're adults. How can you let other people control your actions in this way? As it happens, you have a very good reason for altering the routine this year, but you know, even if you didn't, you DO NOT HAVE TO DO WHAT YOUR MIL SAYS.

And if this were me, hell would freeze over before I, or my DCs, set foot over her threshold ever again without a SERIOUS apology.

rainbow2000 · 23/12/2012 11:30

Just have your own Chistmas starting from next year.Do what you wanna do cause you will never please her,so why bother trying.

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