to think a manager has no seniority at a non-work xmas party and shouldn't behave as such

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Okay, first AIBU but a bit narked off - not to the point it is crushing my xmas spirit but enough to have a little vent and ask for opnions .
Our official work do is in a couple of weeks but because a lot of the xmas temps won't be with us then a few of them arranged to go for an informal meal where anyone was welcome. It didn't incllude the whole company and was just meant to be a really chilled out affair as they had bonded quite well and because they are such a lovely bunch a few permanent staff decided to go too.
About 40 people turned up on the night including a quite senior manager who from the very beginning was behaving like he was in charge and should organize the proceedings. It was in an Indian restaurant and the food was lovely but there was a wait for starters as it was such a big group and no pre-order (we were forewarned).
The senior manager and another manager didn't get ther main course at first because they were ignoring the waiters when they repeatedly called out their dishes-everyoneelse was fine. He complained about the lack of wine choice, about his delayed meal, he tried to make people switch seats and was generally pretty rude and bossy throughout and by the end was quite aggressive and drunk when he was arguing over the bill. The poor girl who organised it was made to feel like she'd failed at a work task.
Now am I being naive (as I don't go out much with colleagues) or is this just par for the course? Does the hierarchy hold outside work or was he a tool who should have pissed off home? I thanked the waiters for my meal and the young girl who organised it but I came away thinking what a tosser

It's not about hierarchy. I bet he's an ill- mannered tool in the workplace as well (neither is good).

He's a cock

Wouldve told him he wernt invited and nobody likes him

Lol

YANBU. He sounds like an idiot.

Wanker. At least he didn't hit on anyone and talk about them being frigid at work the week after when they turned him down (happened to me once). Office parties are a minefield.

The thing is some of the temps are hoping for permanent jobs after xmas and there will be a few but they felt torn at ruining there chances by not agreeing with his bad behaviour or ignoring him. I did get death stares when I thanked colleague for organising a lovely meal and the waiters too but I have a permanent position and I don't really work directly with him plus I have morals and cannot abide bullies. Another manager did comment that he @probably paid them to fuck it up cos he likes a good moan'. Yes he is also an arsehole at work but a spiteful one so felt very sorry for the temps. Hoping he was too drunk to remember!

I don't think it has anything to do with being management, sounds more like the bloke is a complete twat, what is he like to work with?

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YANBU.

The only manager type thing he should have been doing is buying people drinks!!

But on a works arranged night out you are still representing the company - managers may be expected to behave themselves.

Ps read through properly and that isn't behaving like a manager but more like a twat

It's nothing to do with hierarchy and everything to do with him just being a twunt :(

He sounds like a tool

He probably felt a bit responsible and lacks social skills.

Speaking as a Manager you are weirdly and sometimes subconsciously by the staff expected still to be a manager at these sorts of things such as buy drinks, organise, represent the company and your position but he just sounds like he is a bit of a tool in or out of work.

He's an idiot.

Everybody knows that it is the bossiest of the admin staff who takes charge in these situations!

You are still a manager even out of work hours. We send an email out before work evenings out reminding everyone that as much as we want thrm to have fun they are still representing our company and are likely to be disciplined if anything untoward happens during an evening organised by the company.

This manager sounds like a twat more than a manager taking over an evening out.

I spent a very long and sober evening out once making sure everyone went home with out causing problems and with those they should be going home with I also kept a close eye on the bar bill because the senior manager wobbled off to bed leaving his tab open so I discreetly asked the bar staff to stop his tab and signed it off.

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Some one has to be mum!

Oh yes bossy admin are our Christmas bosses.

Totally agree Mrs, I am a do'er, people pleaser and gate keeper wrapped in one role, I have to be involved in disciplinaries and all sorts of management issues so I enjoy organising something nice and fun for the teams to enjoy.

The managers I support do not have the people skills to carry out the background organisational skills needed to arrange a successful event so I do it for them and enjoy it.

Gutted this year because I have organised 2 events, one for tomorrow lunch time and one for Saturday night and I now have kidney stones so can't attend either of the, really annoyed that I can't see the event through to the end and feel like I'm letting our managers down by not being there to facilitate.