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AIBU?

To not want my DC to participate in nativity?

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Spru · 05/12/2012 15:47

I asked school to excuse DC from nativity (due to religious reasons - we do not depict jesus/mary/joseph.) They were absolutely fine with it. Happened to mention this to work colleagues - and they basically told me that I wasn't willing to integrate! Hmm

I was a bit shocked that they saw it like this despite the fact that I explained why. I didn't realise that this decision was perceived as a lack of willingness to integrate - in a country which I have been born and brought up in.

I had to bite my tongue for the sake of peace!

So...MN jury...Grin AIBU to exclude DC from nativity for religious reasons (note: DC is not excluded from other christmas activities at school). Am I just not integrating well into the society that I was born and brought up in?

TIA

Grin

(please be gentle)

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 17:47

he doesn't even have to be on stage.

Sorry I meant he doesn't have to be on stage at the same time as 'the prophets'.

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catkind · 05/12/2012 17:47

YANBU.
Might just as well say you aren't integrated for not attending church on sundays. While it's an old English tradition, it's still a Christian one. And in this particular case one that your religious principles don't allow.

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LadyBeagleBaublesandBells · 05/12/2012 17:48

I thought all schools were going down the multi cultural route now as we are a multi cultural country.
So Eid,and Diwali are celebrated but for some reason Christianity is not?
And I say that as a dyedd in the wool athiest.
I just think that integration should celebrate all beliefs and find it a bit sad that the Nativity play is seen in such a negative way by the Op.
I let my ds learn from his school about all types of religion, so he could make his own mind up, he's 17 now and also an athiest, but at least I kept my mouth shut and let him choose.
And if in the future he decides he's found a true faith I'll accept it.
So yes Op, YABU, if you want to live in a truly multi cultural society.

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RiaUnderTheMistletoe · 05/12/2012 17:48

Muslims don't all believe the exact same thing brady any more than all Christians do.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 17:48

You think she should disregard an important part of her religion so her children can "fit in".

Where did I say she should do it so he fits in?

Is that why she does secret santa?

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MrsDeVere · 05/12/2012 17:49

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RiaUnderTheMistletoe · 05/12/2012 17:50

Secret Santa is fun brady and doesn't go against the OP's faith. She said her dc are taking part in Christmas activities at school, just not Nativity.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 17:51

Muslims don't all believe the exact same thing brady any more than all Christians do.

I know this I was ansering a post saying 'are there rules against secret santa' I replied that, yes many thing there are. Because they are all picking and choosing.

I think the OP should choose to let him. Which is my opinion.

The same as I let my dd celebrate eid at her friend house when I was a practicing catholic.

Which technically could be 'against' catholisim.

I think we should all let out kids participate in all religions where possible.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 17:52

Secret Santa is fun brady and doesn't go against the OP's faith.

Missing the point. The OP is choosing to think its about fun. While it can be argued its against her religion. So she is CHOOSING to ignore the part that says its against her religion and have fun. Great, good for her.

She could choose to let her child participate.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 17:53

The last time I checked the nativity was meant to be fun.

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Spru · 05/12/2012 17:53

Thank you for all the responses and thanks to the posters who put my view for ward more eloquently than I managed.

Yes, I am not impressed when my decision somehow means that I am not integrated.

SilverBaubles Yes, i have lived in other countries with more liberal and more conservative views than UK. Yes, my 'ethnic origin' is not UK, but my country and my heart is in UK - this is my country of birth.

My assertion to pull out was not militant at all - (to my ears your comment sounds like you are affiliating me with militant islam - but of course, like you, I could be wrong!) It was merely a decision that I made. My DC is not 'feeling excluded' at all.

What I have found interesting is the attitude amongst some that: 'if you do X, then you must do Y, or do neither. You cannot do X and but then not do Y. I thought I would take that on-board (though it was a very weak argument), all of a sudden, i am now militant! Hmm

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RiaUnderTheMistletoe · 05/12/2012 17:55

Everyone, religious or otherwise, picks and chooses which aspects of religion/tradition they take part in. I guarantee there are far more religions your dc don't celebrate than ones they do.

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takataka · 05/12/2012 17:55
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amirah85 · 05/12/2012 17:56

YANBU,integration and assimilation are two different things.if u were living say in China I doubt many of u would be eating dogs just to integrate

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somanymiles · 05/12/2012 17:58

YANBU. Is your child's school specifically a Christian one? IMHO unless they are, they should have a more inclusive winter celebration, that recognises traditions from around the world. That way your DC could take part in a section that did not include depiction of prophets eg the history of the Christmas tree, or solstice, or your own winter holiday tradition if you have one.

I say this as a Christmas-loving Christian but I really have come to realise that this assumption we have that everyone should embrace Christian traditions is really unfair and horrible and does lead to people feeling left out. If your DC's school is specifically Christian I don't think there's much you can do, but otherwise I would have a quiet word with the head about next year's play.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 18:00

Everyone, religious or otherwise, picks and chooses which aspects of religion/tradition they take part in. I guarantee there are far more religions your dc don't celebrate than ones they do.

Yes I have said several times that most people pick and choose and thats fine. I am not condemning the OP for her choices. Just pointing out that as she does pick and choose, she could choose this if she wanted to.

I guarantee you are correct in that there are more religions that my dd doesn't take part in. And what?

We don't have opportunity to because I do not know someone fopr certain religions. But she has celebrated many from islam, hindu, paganisim (several times and different forms), C of E, catholisim and a few more.

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bradyismyfavouritewiseman · 05/12/2012 18:00

YANBU. Is your child's school specifically a Christian one? IMHO unless they are, they should have a more inclusive winter celebration, that recognises traditions from around the world.

I LOVE this idea.

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MrsDeVere · 05/12/2012 18:02

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thebody · 05/12/2012 18:03

Yes it's fine for you to not take part in a nativity play but its not all about you is it???

All of my kids have attended the local C of E school as its my catchment school and we are non religious.

I think the nativity story is nonsense but I allow my children to grow and develop and hopefully make up their own minds about beliefs and religions.

They arnt extensions if our believes but Independant people.

Think you are being unreasonable.

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gimmecakeandcandy · 05/12/2012 18:05

I find your attitude so so hypocritical. If you don't want your children to participate in the nativity (yet you are willing to do certain Christmassy things) then don't send your child to a Church of England school. Your kind of attitude really annoys me. Why send your child to a school that does religious festivals if you don't want them to participate. Disgustingly hypocritical. As is your reasoning that it is ok to do some Christmas things but not others. Urghh.

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RiaUnderTheMistletoe · 05/12/2012 18:09

The OP hasn't said her dc go to a CofE school (and lots of people have no choice in schools anyway).

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LadyIsabellaWrotham · 05/12/2012 18:09

Ok gimme - would the OP be a disgusting hypocrite if she went to a work Christmas lunch, ate the turkey but declined the pigs in blanket and wine?

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LadyInDisguise · 05/12/2012 18:10

TBH the thing with Santa and St Nicholas is that actually even if Santa is coming from the idea of St Nicolas, they aren't the same thing. To start with, people celebrating St Nicolas (and there are some) actually don't do it on Christmas day. doing so was a way for the church to bring an unwelcome celebration at a time that suited them (That's assimilation in religious terms). So St nicolas celebration moved from beginning of december to christmas day.
More importantly, whatever the story behind Santa, nowdays Santa is the guy dressed in red who lives in North Pole and has elves helping him wrapping presents for the children. There is no connexion at all now with religion, even if, originally, it was the case.
Different from a nativity scene which at the very heart of a religion, the birth of a prophet, the mum who was a virgin etc...

And, most importantly, why why should one should do something that is going against their beliefs for the sake of integration??? How can you even talk about integration about someone who was born in England, brought up here and, feels english ConfusedConfused? I though integration was about a foreigner wanting to 'integrate' to a new country.
But that doing thing a different way when in your country is just .. well doing things differently (You could even say weird or crazy things if you want).
Telling the OP it would her from 'integrating' means that the people who said it do not think of her as an englishwoman but as a foreigner.

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takataka · 05/12/2012 18:10

gimmee it has been explained extensively on this thread why OP doesnt like the nativity specifically

all school in the UK by law, have to have collective worship, daily...so it is not as easy to opt out as you infer. ALBEIT, SOME SCHOOLS INTERPRET THIS MORE LOOSELY THAN OTHERS

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takataka · 05/12/2012 18:11

sorry for caps lock

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