To not want a minute by minute account of Kate's pregnancy and little sympathy for her.

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She's rich, she has all the support in the world and will have no cooking, cleaning, vocational work or responsibilities. I really really really do not want to have daily updates on her condition or her pregnancy for the next nine months! It's so typical of everything she stands for that they have already announced she will have to be on rest for the foreseeable future. As opposed to doing what exactly??!

My best friend had HG and lost a stone in 8 days. She went to hospital and was told to pull her herself together as most women had morning sickness. No time off work, no help whatsoever.

She can call herself Fanuela McVadge for all i care though tbh

Between the Diana worshippers (yes, she was a Loon, also irredeemably thick) and the Kate worshippers (also probably on the way to loon-dom despite some very sensible precautions such as waiting a good long time before committing to enter the circus etc) this thread is, itself, pretty loony.

When I was pregnant with DD1 they thought I had HG - catclysmic sickness, came on very quickly, so bad and violent I was puking up blood from my tim or throat lining.......I knew it wasn't hg. I knew that I'd accidentally ingested probably only a tiny amount of milk or lactic acid (probably from production line contamination) and that combined with normal morning sickness had resulted in this pretty spectacular multicoloured performance art event. But they were determined it was hg till they realised it wasn't. I still needed a drip etc but obviously once they realised it was an extreme allergic reaction I had appropriate medication and was out of hospital within a week (and back at work within 10 days). Kate might not have had hg but she probably did have something to need a drip and having been there (and again with pregnancy 3, an allergic reaction to anaesthetic that time) - it really won't have been nice.

I am about as far from a royalist as its possible to get not least because I and my kids are banned from marrying one so, basically, they can mump off AFAIC - but I still feel sorry for Kate (and I';ll call her what I want). Just because I don't like the royals and would vote for a republic tomorrow, doesn't mean I don't think she has probably had a miserable and very worrying week (when I was so sick with DD1 I was convinced I'd lose her. It was awful awful awful).

I don't like the royals, I think that drawing a distinction between what posh person is an aristocrat and what one isn't is ludicrous and I don't like the army either. Or St Andrews. But I still feel sorry for Kate for the week she's had and I hope that she now has a quiet and private and unreported upon pregnancy which doesn't trouble those areas of the media I frequent.

Why is it intetesting that she is home already? Quite standard that once shevwas re-hydrated via drip and hopefully the sickness is somewhat controlled by meds that she would then go.home.

Some womdn with hg require long stays, some dont and she may well end up being re-admitted if it worsens, again common for hg sufferers.

not surprised she is home

most HG sufferers are home with 24 - 48 hours..... and very many are readmitted days / weeks later.

Many HG sufferers get admitted numerous times, but once rehydrated and vomiting controlled (which is easier by IV as you dont vom the tablets) you go home..... then when it all starts up again you go back

Its called life with HG

I don't think it is interesting she is home. What this demonstrates is that if this condition was taken seriously and women were given proper treatment before they are at the point of collapse, then many people would spend less time feeling like they wanted to die or terminate their pregnancy.

People are being so bloody vile on this thread, it is disgusting.

Hear hear

Oh I don't know about the distinctions being different posh persons being ludicrous Mordion. Princesses Anne, Beatrice and Eugenie got in a right royal stew about having to curtsey to Kate. The fact that we're all supposed to scrape to someone who hasn't magically morphed into a different person on engagement and marriage is ludicrous though. As is scraping to aristos in the first place of course. And as is the fact that one can't say anything slightly cynical about the likely reality behind a palace news story without causing serious offence, shock and outrage. I've never said I don't have sympathy for her with morning sickness. In fact I've said I do. But I have also said I hope it's not bigged up, for the reasons given. Two days in hospital given the extra precaution does strongly suggest Kate isn't as ill as was generally thought.

I've heard him refer to her as Kate in interviews, so clarly she is known as Kate by people close to her.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Have actually lost the will to live.

Well I have to say I think if that's the case (about going to hospital every so often to be rehydrated, but not being totally floored) then the distiction between ordinary morning sickness as I understand it and hg does seem to be blurred. So my premise is flawed. I'd understood them to be totally and utterly different, with no overlap in the middle.

Squoosh. .yes, who cares, lets just get pissed on festive bubbly instead

I don't see why Princess Anne, Beatrice and Eugenie getting in a stew about something renders it not ludicrous. Quite the reverse I'd have said. I don't mind Princess Anne (In fact, I'd go so far as to say I like her. I might even vote for her as a figurehead president) but as for the other two - a fairly reasonable rule of thumb for this sort of thing might be see what they think then think the opposite, I reckon.

It really is the biggest load of baloney. So what if Kate has no 'aristocratic blood' in her. What is aristocratic blood anyway? The windsor claim to the throne derives from its connection with the House of Hannover. Who were basically usurpers. So what. Many other aristos can trace their time back to William the conq. The clue is of course in the name. Which wasn't 'William the born here and definitely the rightful heir to the throne'. But it's all just a load of mumps completely irrelevant to the c21.

I completely agree with you that we should be able to call the whole load of them wasters without the ridiculous overreactions we have seen on this thread. But I don't agree with you that two days in hospital indicates that whatever was wrong with her wasn't a Thing. I was only in for 3 days when I was sick and I had additional medical complications.

I don't think we are actually supposed to scrape and I certainly have never scraped in my life (although I probably would do to the Pope. But I'm unlikely to ever meet the Pope, so, you know....). MN is just rather fuller of royalists than real life I'd say. Although, the existence of Hello does seem to indicate that these people do exist in meatspace too.

FanjoTimeMammariesAndWine indeed!

Imagine Christmas Day with all the Royals and not being able to drink. That poor girl!

sheer torture!

A bit like it is for my DH when we have to drive to my parents for Christmas dinner and he can't drink!

Mordion I was taking the mickey out of LtEve when I did the thing, as opposed to being serious (military types do tend to be achingly obsequious when it comes to the royals). I don't find any of them particularly royal, for exactly the reasons you give. Usurpers. Mary and Anne were cows. But then the previous lot were usupers too, in a sense.

Princess Anne gets my vote. She hates fawners. When she came to see our lot once she told a fawning officer's wife that no thanks, she would not like to hear the children sing but she would like to do was to spend the day with the soldiers.

military types do tend to be achingly obsequious when it comes to the royals

Us 'Military Types' (oh goody, I'm a type now, still better than the other bollocks I've heard) swear an Oath of Allegience to the Queen, her Heirs and her Successors when we first enlist, and we have Colonels of the Regiment and Colonels in Chief that are often members of the Royal Family. That doesn't make us obsequious, it makes us loyal to the oath we took and the contract we signed when we chose to join the military. I am loyal, steadfast and resolute

I look down on those in the military that state they do not support those in the Royal Family as, to me, it means they lied at their attestation. No-one in the UK is forced to join the military, and they do so knowing that the Royal Family should be supported.

Her heirs are Prince Charles and William. I can see the point in swearing allegiance to them, but cannot see that joining the military should have to entail swearing allegiance, in addition, to the waste of space Andrew, Edward, or their offspring. Perhaps it's time that oath was changed. People should have the right to serve their country without having to promise allegiance to people who are not serving their country, but are in fact, living a very nice lifestyle at our expense. I cannot see that the likes of Sophie Wessex/Edward or Andrew/Beatrice/Eugenie.

I hear what you are saying Karma, but then, if there was some kind of terrorist bollocks al la that terrible King Ralph film then Edward / Andrew / some minor Royal would be expected to 'step up' and the military would be expected to support them...we cannot pick and choose.

If a person is in the Royal Line of Succession - no matter how far down, then they would get the support of the military if the time ever came - no questions asked.

Maybe the oath could be worded that the military swear allegiance to the monarch and immediate heir. If the worst happened, then whoever took over would become the monarch/heir and so allegiance would automatically apply.

Alternatively, perhaps some members of our royal family could behave better and therefore become more worthy of the allegiance of our military.

"If a person is in the Royal Line of Succession - no matter how far down, then they would get the support of the military if the time ever came - no questions asked."

Now that's scary!

Yes, that would make sense Karma - like the "The King is Dead, Long Live the King" idea.

Yes Seeker, must admit, cannot quite imagine supporting a "King Edward" - would require a very 'stiff upper lip' I think.

"Princess Anne gets my vote. She hates fawners. When she came to see our lot once she told a fawning officer's wife that no thanks, she would not like to hear the children sing but she would like to do was to spend the day with the soldiers."

How does that get your vote? That's just bloody rude. The poor woman.

Don't forget, the upper classes are never rude. They might be forthright, or outspoken, or direct - but never rude. Even when they behave in ways that would have the average 7 year old grounded for a month.

True.

They never bark orders, they delegate with confidence!

Prince Andrew is known for his rudenss and self importance.

eek, rudeness