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to ask you what allowances you make for your partner's issues? Just being nosy really......

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RawShark · 03/12/2012 19:55

My DH had depression when he was a teenager (self harm and a suicide attempt) , exacerbated by a tendency to stress and assume disaster. Having spent more time with his family this is either genetic or he learnt it off his father.

Ten years ago you'd have told me to leave the bastard and even the year the baby was born (DS is two now) there were a couple of times I thought "well, I'm goign to have to do all the work of bringing up our son alone" (although probably at least 50% of this was my hormones).

Anyway every year he has improved the way he acts or speaks or tries to keep in contact with his family and is even volunteering at a sports event to try and be more sociable. I have immense respect for the way he does this as I don't think I improve myself year on year!

So when he is down or feeling shitty I will give him extra time alone, or to do something he likes and often lie-in. I do more cooking and shopping (not all) because sometimes the planning gets him a bit panicky. I don't get many lie-ins myself because he also needs to exercise to keep on top of things. I am in no way complaining and obviously I chose to be with him knowing full well his issues.

But from reading these boards a lot of people think that if things aren;t 50:50 then this is NOT RIGHT. I guess I'm just being nosy and asking what other people make allowances for in the context of a healthy relationship?

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whatsforyou · 03/12/2012 21:38

I am sure my dh has borderline ocd, he craves order and can't sleep at night if the house isn't immaculate. I am a bit more laid back slovenly cow

We have bumped the edges of each other. He does all the cleaning because if I do it he can't relax as he doesn't KNOW it's clean so does it again after me which drives me mad! He has to have a hair cut every third Sat so I have to make sure I'm free to watch ds. He has loads of little quirks which I make allowances for but he also puts up with my annoying habits which I'm sure he would rather live without!

The key is finding what works for you, there may be times when you give more but as long as you know you'll get that back when you need it then I wouldn't give a stuff for what anyone else thinks of your relationship.

RawShark · 03/12/2012 21:45

goldmandra thank you for your links I will deinfitely look at them maybe not tonight. Have you tried justeat.co.uk? It restored takeaway ordering equity in our house.

At the moment I htink suggesting a condition to him would seriously upset him though and probably be counterproductive given how much he improves every year. He hated drugs and counselling too, so although I will do the research and implement any strategies I think woudl help I won;t suggest it to him

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TheArmadillo · 03/12/2012 22:07

Dh is extremely stubborn and requires careful handling to get him to do stuff he doesn't believe in (and that is a wide range of stuff). He won't do stuff 'just because' (whether it is housework tasks he doesn't see the point in or legal requirements he can't see the justification for) so you have to show him why it would benefit him/be in his interest to do so. Which can be frustrating when you are tired and just want to say 'just do it please'.

He has no sense of time - couldn't tell you whether 10mins had passed or an hour, but I only realised this recently and a lot of things suddenly made sense. Now I have realised this and he has accepted it, things run smoother - he uses a system of alarms and I know to point out what the time is/how long has passed since I asked him to do something.

If I want him to do something I need to give him a time to do it by and then leave him to fit it in as he sees fit. He will leave everything to the last minute, but he does tend to get it done if I am clear on when I need it for. I am very much the opposite and have to bite my tongue a lot over this.

He will never admit he is wrong. I need to go away and give him time to accept criticism and he won't say sorry. However his actions show he takes it on board and changes what he does accordingly. I was bought up in an abuse family and one of the things they did was tell me what they thought was shut me up and literally, blatantly lie to my face while their actions showed otherwise. I don't put much faith in words anymore so don't have a problem with this though it would be nice to hear him say he was wrong just once

On the other hand I have very big issues/mental health problems from my family. He put up with them without complaint until I was ready to cut them off and has been everything I could want and more when it comes to support. When I had a complete breakdown and was incapable/needed pretty much constant supervision, he looked after me, our newborn dd, ds (on school holidays), did all the cooking/cleaning and everything else. It may not have been to my standard but tbh I'm not sure I could juggle all that. And he did it all without a single word of complaint. He is also very kind and gentle, which I do need. Never shouts at me (I can't cope with it) and we rarely argue. I also have many crazy phobias and fears which he has to deal with.

He is laid back, disorganised, and leaves everything to the last minute. I am an obsessive control freak who can't sit still. We tone down/balance out each others extremes. We have been together nearly 13 years and I wouldn't swap him for anything. We also share a lot of interests and the same sense of humour. And have similar approaches to bringing up the kids which definitely helps.

He is a SAHP and I am the bread winner, through circumstances beyond our control, but it does suit us. Even if the housework isn't quite to my standards (though getting much better).

Goldmandra · 03/12/2012 22:10

Thanks RawShark. Sadly we live too far out in the sticks to be able to use jsuteat Sad We'll just have to carry on negotiating Smile

I hope you find some strategies to help your DH. My DD1 hated psychology input with a passion and it was very hard to get her to cooperate even when she withdrew to her bedroom (literally) for several months. Pushing her made her incredibly anxious and volatile so I know exactly where you are coming from. As for trying to get DH to get some counselling - well I won't even go there!

I hope you find something useful.

mainlinestation · 03/12/2012 22:42

DH makes far more allowances for me than I do for him. I have had severe depression and other MH issues, plus I've been diagnosed with ASD. It makes my everyday life quite difficult and there are things I've done/do that, when I've read about partners doing them on MN, always prompt a LTB chorus! Luckily DH embraces my quirks and he's very understanding, so he accepts my difficulties with grace.

He takes on the burden of practical tasks and all the financial responsibilities (despite me bringing dc into the relationship, he's always treated them as his own). We both see my illness and disabilities in the same way as if it were a physical illness. His DM had cancer recently and was laid up in bed for months, his DF took on all the household tasks of course and didn't expect her to just pull herself together, although it was tough for his DF but he always said that's was his duty as a husband (in sickness and in health and all that). My MH health difficulties can affect me in the same way (I also have physical health difficulties which cause exhaustion too) and DH and I understand that in a marriage, we stick together through thick and thin, whatever life throws at us.

I will order takeaway from Just Eat, it's brilliant that I don't have to pick up the phone! I absolutely hate making phone calls and even making orders in person. Very common with those with MH needs and/or on the spectrum.

rainrainandmorerain · 03/12/2012 22:52

rawshark - what do I do when my dp hypothesises negative outcomes - good question, it is a really tough one!

Honest answer is that it varies - and how I am at the time is a big factor. I do not see myself as (and would not be capable of) being his therapist. It is, btw, a bone of contention between us that he has always refused counselling or therapy. I had counselling for 2 episodes of depression, and it helped, partly by making me more aware of my own thought processes and how mood affects them. Dp struggles to accept that the way he perceives things and how he reacts are informed by his depression, and he over intellectualises things to try and prove he is 'right' and I am 'wrong'.

Most important thing tbh is not to get dragged down by him when he is like that. He doesn't want to reflect on his own thought processes and decision making - he wants to argue with me about mine and thus seek confirmation in his doomy predictions! often this means just not engaging with him - which is hard, and counter intuitive, but necessary. For self preservation, really.

If I think i can stay calm and focused, I will ask him to talk me through his reasoning - that series of thoughts that leads to 'I'm not going to do anything because it will all be awful and go wrong.' This is VERY hard, as he is very unwilling to articulate his 'process'. When he does, so often his assumptions sound daft - because they are daft - and it becomes clear that he is arriving at decisions and forming opinions based on something that in the clear light of day, just doesn't stand up. You'd think this would be a good thing! however... often his reaction to that is to get very angry, as if he has been 'exposed' (which he has, in a way) or very down ('I'm just rubbish at everything then' etc). And quite often I will blow up along the way anyway, as some explanation for why he has/hasn't done something finally comes out, and I find it ridiculous and very frustrating.

A typical small example - he won't talk to people or ask them something because 'they'll probably say no'. I say 'you don't know that - you need to ask them'. He says 'but they'll say no'. I say 'you haven't tried'. Eventually he might explain WHY he thinks they'll say no (and this takes age s to get there) and it is something so flimsy it is basically made up. As he says it, it sounds thin, he sort of panics, especially if he has been very insistent he is right, and then goes into 'alright well I just can't do anything then!'

At other times, I have lost my temper and shouted at him, and spelt out the problems in his reasoning very bluntly, which of course causes an argument. but he often does reflect when the dust dies down and admit that he has been doomy and that his predicted outcome is one possibility among many....

what works well when I manage it is to do some things in an efficient and 'achieving' way (from booking the car in for an mot to dealing with relatives!) - but give him some tasks to do in the same vein along the lines of 'I've done this bit, now you do that bit'. And they are to be done promptly - no brooding and mulling and dragging feet while the storm clouds gather and he gets The Fear. I won't do everything for him. I'm actually very strict now about what. I will and won't do for him, tbh. At times in the past I have gone down the 'I'll just do everything myself' route rather than deal with tricky conversations with him - but a few years ago, I took a view of our relationship and realised it was just way, way too onesided - me doing so much was actually allowing him to carry on with all his doomy negative behaviour patterns unchanged and unchallenged. A key thing was insisting he learn to drive again, instead of having me drive him round. He didn't want to, he was very anxious about it - but for me, it was a deal breaker. If he couldn't take responsibility for that, he wasn't interested in me as a partner, but as a 'carer'. He learned to drive, and it is now a shared chore.

Like all these things, the more he does, the better he gets - more assertive in the right way, more able to go into situations without having overthought a pessimistic outcome etc.

I am very clear in my own mind that I am not a substitute therapist or counsellor. I cannot be. I have friends who have got caught up in some misguided romantic notion of 'helping' partners with quite major problems - and it takes over their life. that's just not me. It is not my job to make do a 'better' person, either. He is who he is, and ultimately, only he is responsible for himself. In a way, my perspective is very selfish, although not in a way I feel bad about! - as it is about being in a healthy relationship, which allows me and hm to achieve our potential.

JingleBellsRawSharkSmells · 04/12/2012 17:24

mainlinestation sounds like your OH stepped up when you needed him too. Mine did too. It's very reassuring for me to be able to depend on him and know he is capable of much more than I woudl ever have given him credit for (and has largely stayed hat way)

rainrain I was reading your post quite detcahed before I realised that your DP sounds very like mine. The key point for us was when I stopped runing round after him when he was panikcing about losing things etc and also specified things - rather than saying "tidy" I now say "sort that filing pile" or "hoover that bit". I know it's not perfect but means we are both happier. I got the idea from a combination of an awful program called "how to train your husband" and jo frost's output which sounds horrid Xmas Blush but seems to work. And my DH gets better at dealing with stuff very year. Having a child has really made him rethink his attitude, some switch has just flipped in his head.

the worst thing now is that he focusses so much on me and DS he can really bottle things up and I have recently said to him that if he ever needs a break just to say to me honestly that that is the case.

DH sometimes thinks he should earn more money at which point I say to him all the good things he has like being able to see DS morning and evening and be really involved. He said (we were watching the descendants) he feels like a back-up parent sometimes at which I was a bit Xmas Shock. I think this helps....

goldmandra I can see why you thought my post woudl have originated in that thread you linked to. I read your post there and honestly just thought you sounded like you were mature enough to communicate with your husband in a way where it actually got you both somewhere. I think on that thread there was the tendency to assume that was all you did and that the OPs husband spent all his time being an arse. Things are rarely that black and white

JingleBellsRawSharkSmells · 04/12/2012 17:26

Hmmn please ignore last sentence of fourth paragraph in post above - it got detached from where it shoudl have been

WankbadgersBauble · 04/12/2012 17:46

Dp is very, very patient with me. I have the most horrid fear of talking on the phone to someone whom I don't know very well. I had to call the tax office, and he got me through to the person I needed, then Sat and held my hand and gave reassuring pats and nods.
He is probably Aspergers affected, and he simply can't do large gatherings unless he knows he can escape to lurk somewhere when he becomes overwhelmed. Recently though, he has begun to push himself, taking DD to a birthday party on his own, staying, and even making polite conversation with the other parents. A year ago he would have been in a tailspin.

There's lots more, but I'm on my phone and should be doing things like seeing to dinner.

JingleBellsRawSharkSmells · 06/12/2012 09:03

wankbadgersbauble (feel Xmas Blush just typing that!) . Hope you had a nice dinner. Having a child has really made my DH push himself too.

the alternative side is that he is very judgey with regards to other people's mental health (in terms of how it affects their behaviour) and parenting now

dreamingbohemian · 06/12/2012 10:02

I agree that it's mostly a question of give and take, but I think there is one more aspect to consider as well, which is whether making allowances is in any way enabling a partner's issues.

I have an ex with a lot of issues who self-medicated with alcohol. He was still lovely, I didn't feel I was giving too much really, but in hindsight I can see that by being supportive I was totally enabling his alcoholism and depression. I thought I was being so supportive and understanding but I was really just normalising how he was feeling. All of his girlfriends do this, why is probably a big reason why he's never really confronted things and gotten help.

I myself have had depression, I'm still prone to anxiety and stress and have some family problems (parents). My DH is incredibly supportive but at the same time I know there is a red line of sorts -- he is not endlessly supportive. And for me, that's good, because it keeps me focused on dealing with things. Otherwise it's just so easy to stop making an effort.

My DH also has anxiety issues and I've found that being supportive, which is my natural inclination, often makes things worse -- the best remedy for him is for me to make him laugh and sort of make light of things. It's the best way to restore his sense of perspective.

I'm not sayng that making allowances is always enabling, but I do think it's something worth thinking about. It's not just about whether we can cope with doing it, it's whether it's actually the best way to respond to someone's issues as well.

JingleBellsRawSharkSmells · 06/12/2012 10:44

That is a good point dreaming and as I said above it was once I started NOT fussing around after him that things improved.

I do the same hting as you in that I can usually make my DH laugh as history has established that is the only thing I can do with what he is stressing about.

But we have finally got to the point where allowances are more or less equitable (albeit in different ways) or at least I am happy with the balance.

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