sticker charts for the 'naughty' kid. WWYD differently?

[juniper904]

What are your thoughts on disruptive kids getting a sticker chart in class?

I have been there. It nearly did kill me. Good luck! and a loyalty card for Staples for all the stickers you'll be buying

DS gets his own special reward chart. Doesn't motivate him at all unfortunately, but he really is special. If it does work for your pupil then hurrah.

Are you worrying that other children/parents/teachers might think OP? That you're not doing everything you can to stop the DCs disruptive behaviour?

I would say most would prefer a softly softly approach as an initial response (just going on what you'd want for your child maybe), but it's how long do you give it before trying something else which is the question.

If it's working now and you stop or it stops helping, will that initial positive response make you try it again when you maybe could be trying something a bit more direct?

I don't think you've identified anything in your posts, it seems a pretty legit question to ask IMO.

(I'd forgotten what amazing effects a bag of haribos can have tethers, my mistake )

Perhaps it might be more appropriate to raise this as a debate when you have not been on the wine?

Your whole tone and language is very unprofessional and inflammatory. Perhaps go to bed and revisit this tomorrow.

jumiper - you sound a great teacher.

Have recently been the lone voice in a bunch of insane parents trying to explain why a reward might have been given If it stops working do check your reinforcers. That was the biggest problem I had with mainstream schools - they tended to use what they thought a child should like, rather than what they actually liked if that makes sense. Child first, and reinforcer choses to suit the child and yes you're half way there.

*chosen

Juniper...what I always think is, it's fine for the children who have tried really hard to behave every week to get a certificate on a Friday, but parents also need to see a child who's been perfectly well behaved or tried their best every day that week get a certificate.

I always wish they'd give two certificates/star of the week type things out at our school. One for the child who found it hard to be good and the one who is always well behaved/tries their best/has done some untypical work that week

"POsitive reinforcement works very well (check out pyramid education consultants - they have a paper somewhere on work with very challenging children) providing the reinforcer is meaningful to the child. That's often missed."

A thousand times YES.

I have seen so many 'reward' schemes bite the dust as being ineffective when in fact, those implementing it have decided for the child what the reinforcer will be, forgetting to check with the child and rendering the whole system ineffectual.

Used correctly, reward schemes work for the vast majority of children.

'I think he's a lovely kid and I am going to make this the year that turns his behaviour around.'

You sound alright to me.

You're the kind of teacher I wished I'd had myself (not that I had the hitting/kicking/laughing bits, I just couldn't sit still and now think humiliation route the teachers took made it worse), and one I'd like for my DDs.

x-post saintly.

but what marvellous, well informed views you have

Exactly tethersend. Or a school will say 'what is the child's favourite thing in the world'.

'Crisps' you say.

Nope can't be done, throw positive reinforcement out the window and go back to being bashed and having stuff thrown around the room. The child's one reinforcer isn't politically correct.

The most important rule; the reinforcer is decided by the child (even if they can't talk/state what that is - in that case, ask the parents).

tethersend

I have a lot of sympathy with you op. I know the sticker charts work, and they are necessary because that child isn't able to control the behaviour without incentive.

I take my hat off to you dealing with this kid and hope you succeed in turning him round.
I am a teacher, but haven't been in the classroom for a few years. I did have a few kids that fitted that description over the years.

But as a parent, I do see another side. I have 3 kids. My 2 dds are the 'nice' kids. (note I don't add my ahem 'lively' ds in there )
dd1 in particular is quiet, co-operative and hard working. She does everything she is told, is quite bright, so is achieving well, helps younger kids etc etc etc. Because she is quite quiet, she gets overlooked, and to be honest, she really doesn't understand how the system works. She thinks that everyone else is cleverer and better than her, better behaved and somehow deserving. She was really surprised in her report to see how well she had done, and how much her teacher recognised those positive traits in her.

We have since talked about some of these star charts and certificates and stuff at home, and talked about how some children need more encouragement than others, how she gets satisfaction in getting her work completed, and doesn't always need a sticker to tell her. The same applies to behaviour 'Why is so and so allowed to do x? If he can do it why can't I? and we have needed to talk about that too. This has helped them all enormously to deal with the perceived unfairness in the system.

I do think that we forget than the regular hard working kids respond well to some public praise too, and that they don't actually know that the teacher thinks they are great kids.