One Jones: I want to tie him to the nearest tree...

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And slap him repeatedly around the face, really hard, lots in a non-sexual, totally aggressive way. He makes me sick sick sick. Just the sight of his obnoxious brat face is enough to get my blood boiling then he opens his mouth and bullshit comes spewing forth like nothing on earth. He is the personification of jumping up and down and screeching in the supermarket on a Saturday afternoon, just to get attention. AIBU to want to smash his face in?

Bugger - typo! Owen Jones

I don't know who he is but he sounds thoroughly enchanting from your description.

Who is he?

YABU if you are on about the one from question time the other night. I thought he was great really passionate about what he believes. It was a good debate and question time was much livelier as a result. Think he was spot on with what he said about Israel.

Liz Jones - yes, do it. Own Jones, no.

Tell me OP, are you actually able to rebut any of his points, or are you just doing what all the right have been doing and launching frothy mouthed personal attacks because every word he says hit a nerve?

YABU

YABU.
I think he is wonderful. We need more people like him and more people to listen to what he has to say.
Why would you hate him?

I think Owen Jones is great. And he always does his research to back up his arguments. He mentioned Brian McArdle and Karen Sherlock on QS on thursday. He made sure he got his point across about what is really happening to disabled people and drew out IDS"s true colours in the process.

Do I need to google Owen Jones? who is he?

YANBU. Some of his columns in the Independent are total drivel. He also has an unfortunate manner. Although I do agree with him on occasion, it's the way he comes across I have a problem with.

Owen

Owen

Who the fuck is Owen?

I've tried really hard to pinpoint exactly why Jones makes me retch. It may well be the shit-stirring he employs to lever some members of the British public into hatred for anyone who isn't them, lives near them or sends their children to the same school as them.
He's more than happy to use the term "Toff" but screeches like a harpy if the word "Chav" comes into the conversation - in the name of fairness you can't have one without the other. This is the first blow to the enormous wedge he uses to divide society. His book is a vicious attack on 'toffs' and he spends page after page telling 'chavs' how they're so badly treated, how they are the ones who should be cashing in on millions, living in mansions and lording it up while the 'toffs' should be kicked to the kerb and left there. He makes an absolute mint telling working class people that middle class and upper class people think they are lazy, good for nothing scroungers, producing countless kids to get yet more benefits and should get on their bike and get a job - missing the point entirely about the 'working' bit. He tells his readers how managers, directors and bosses do bugger all but rake in a fortune while the Workers slave for hours and hours for barely minimum wage, ignoring the fact that most managers, directors and bosses were on much lower rungs before reaching the dizzy heights (and often working in the evenings and weekends to ensure the ongoing success of their businesses and consequently the availability of jobs for those prepared to work.) Not content with climbing the forbidden ladder himself in order to cash in on other people's woes with his 'best selling non-fiction' he also blogs for the now mis-named Independent where he recently held out his hand (the one that isn't holding the magnum of Cristal) for more dosh. In fact, he spends huge amounts of time and other people's money telling people they are working class and that they should rise up against their oppressors in just the same way that Adolf Hitler did in the 1930s. And that didn't work out well for anyone.

Read his work; you'll soon realise he is little more than Napoleon (the pig, not the politician).

Oh, and Darkesteyes as for 'well researched,' I'm afraid that's untrue. He appeared on This Week earlier this year (trad BBC leftie Thursday political telly night) and claimed 23 members of the coalition cabinet were millionaires and a tax cut would have the consequence of the said 23 "writing themselves a cheque for £40,000," failing most signally to recognise the difference between worth and earnings, and of the 23, none earn over £1m. He neglected to note the number of MPs on the opposition benches who were of equal financial standing. He had to fess up his stupidity after the scathing attacks he received via the web. I would suggest he may well research his pieces , but doesn't work hard enough on manipulating his findings to support his arguments.

never heard of him..

Well, you may have a point. But so does he. IDS and other members of parliament do not think a great deal of the working classes. They do think that everybody on benefits, including the disabled are scroungers and scum, that's why they're trying to disenfranchise them even further.

(trad BBC leftie Thursday political telly night)

As I remember, he wasn't actually allowed to make his point about the demonisation of the diabled/unemployed on QT - IDS kept talking over him.

He's an idiot. Don't know why he's on TV so often.

Sonia, earlier this year the BBC admitted that Question Time audience members, although not selected on an individual basis, are 'self-selecting' by the political leaning of the areas chosen to broadcast from. For instance, they are more likely to broadcast from Slough (Labour) than from Windsor (Conservative). All they do is choose areas where the population is more left wing, then claim there is no engineered bias in the audience as they are all 'of the area'. This week's edition (29th November) is to be broadcast from Swansea, a city with three Labour MPs. Last week's edition may well have been from the Palace of Westminster, but the building was introduced as the location of the trial and execution of Charles I; Westminster Hall has such an amazing history and they choose that to intro the programme, with 2 other vague facts that could well fit pretty much any ancient building in London.

I expect Dimbles deliberately steered Jones away from the 'Chavs' book for fear of being accused of advertising, endorsing or allowing Jones to shamelessly promote himself. Whatever you think of Dimbles, he is not a bad Chair. Generally speaking.

YABU

FrothyOM, how so?

I just can't stand him, have stated my reasons and that's it. If you like him, s'up to you. I don't care mind!

Who do you loathe, and why?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/1622767-Disability-hatred-in-action-Woman-with-MS-finds-note-on-windscreen-calling-her-a-scrounger-after-hospital-appointment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/1622767-Disability-hatred-in-action-Woman-with-MS-finds-note-on-windscreen-calling-her-a-scrounger-after-hospital-appointment

Brian McArdle and Karen Sherlock were the names Owen was trying to say when Dimbleby silenced him.
When Dimbleby silenced him he was not talking about his book at all.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Jones_(writer)

Yes, he drives me up the wall. What a total wanker.

I agree with him and obviously it is lovely to see IDS slapped around like the venereal disease he is, but I wish anyone else had done it.

The way he responded to the lad who asked him an obviously pre-prepared question about Isreal (and who clearly had intended it as a general point not a criticism of Jones's point as he'd had his hand up long before Jones began to speak), made me furious. It was so rude and unnecessary and he took it far too personally, like a child throwing its toys out of its pram.