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to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

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londonone · 24/11/2012 09:23

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I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

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squeezedatbothends · 25/11/2012 15:40

Othehugemanatee - that was actually Rochdale in the child grooming case, not Rotherham - different county.

tiggytape · 25/11/2012 15:54

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complexnumber · 25/11/2012 16:49

I think disagreeing with multiculturism does not, per se, make you a racist. (Though I do think being a racist probably means you disagree with multiculturism).

I also do not think people are necessarily using the same definitions of 'Multiculturalism'. This BBC article makes it clear that there are a multitude of definitions out there, all made to fit particular agenda.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12381027

complexnumber · 25/11/2012 16:51

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HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 16:55

www.channel4.com/media/c4-news/images/voting-to-violence%20%287%29.pdf

We then asked the same question, only alternating preparing for conflict to engaging in armed conflict. Overall, 40 per cent of the BNP supporters in our sample considered armed conflict as justifiable on similar lines, compared to 21 per cent of UKIP supporters. We then asked respondents whether violence may be needed in the future to protect their group from threats: 64 per cent of BNP followers in our sample agreed with this suggestion, whereas only 34 per cent of UKIP supporters backed this idea.

Bride1 · 25/11/2012 17:08

I agree that 'multiculturalism' on this thread seem to be equated with the ability to marry someone of another race, go out for a nice Moroccan meal and have friends from different countries and for racism to be unacceptable and strongly discourage. All these things are of course desirable and are not what objectors to multiculturalism object to.

LineRunner · 25/11/2012 17:12

UKIP policy specifically refers to 'the doctrine of multiculturalism' that should not be publicly funded. That is actually confusing for everybody, by the looks of it.

tiggytape · 25/11/2012 17:14

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mercibucket · 25/11/2012 17:16

Are you pissed, halloweennamechange? Started early on a saturday night?

Rotherham has indeed been the centre of a long-running child grooming scandal, as a quick google showed me. Other places such as rochdale have as well of course

HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:17

If it isn't a race issue and just a current immigration issue than why aren't their more people of color in their parties? It should pretty much reflect the face of Britain shouldn't it? Not every person of African or Asian decent is an immigrant? Why aren't they rushing in their masses to join UKIP? What is it about UKIP that makes them feel unwelcome?

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HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:19

Thinking UKIP is a racist party makes me pissed? I guess thinking Tories are predominately well off and not particularly concerned with the well beingn of the working class and single mother must make me on drugs as well right? WTF are you about.

tiggytape · 25/11/2012 17:25

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HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:29

Um Americans do tiggy. And it isnt racist. Ta.

HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:29

Colo(u)red people is racist, not people of color. For the record.

complexnumber · 25/11/2012 17:31

HalloweenNameChange

How much credence are you willing to give to a survey conducted by a left wing organisation that admits in its opening paragraphs:

'Any conclusions that are drawn or interpreted should be treated with caution'

and that:

'our sample has not been controlled for any demographic profile, and may contain bias'

tiggytape · 25/11/2012 17:33

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mumzy · 25/11/2012 17:33

I was wondering today whether social services would think I wasn't meeting the cultural needs of my 3 dc (don't want to disclose my ethnic background as don't want to out myself) We have for the past week only had british food and my dc only know the basics of my mother tongue as dh is English and I immigrated to UK when I was 4 yrs old. We only have a few friends with the same ethnicity as us and we all speak English when we do meet up. I take them to see my parents every 3 months and as my parents speak poor english, communication btw dc and dp is quite limited. Ds1 pointed out to me the main interaction they have with my culture are the frequent visits to our favourite restaurant. We celebrate the main festivals from my country but British culture is the main influence in their lives and as their lives are here, IMO that is how it should be.

HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:40

That's fine tiggy, I am not a British foster parent though Hmm and people of color does not mean dual heritage Hmm although it can include dual heritage of course.

Person of color (plural: people of color; persons of color) is a term used primarily in the United States to describe any person who is not white. The term is meant to be inclusive among non-white groups, emphasizing common experiences of racism. People of color was introduced as a preferable replacement to both non-white and minority, which are also inclusive, because it frames the subject positively; non-white defines people in terms of what they are not (white), and minority frequently carries a subordinate connotation.
Anyway, would you mind apologizing for calling me a racist?

tiggytape · 25/11/2012 17:43

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HalloweenNameChange · 25/11/2012 17:45

thank you

mercibucket · 25/11/2012 17:53

'Ignorant violent racist thugs are people too! How dare you vilotate their right to make money off the state'

Sorry, my mistake, sounded like the ramblings of a pissed person, but apparently not. So in this libel of the foster couple, are you basing it purely on the newspaper article, or just the fact that they are members of Ukip? Nice, either way

mumzy · 25/11/2012 18:00

I think politicians don't want voters to have sensible discussions/ debate on immigration because they have no idea what to do re: controlling it hence its easier to label people who want to discuss it publicly a racist or bigot ,aka Gordon Brown.

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