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AIBU to be upset at altercation in Morrisons yesterday and still dwelling?

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louisdog · 21/11/2012 14:51

My first AIBU, eek!

I popped into Morrisons yesterday with DD(3mths). Gave her a big feed in the car, then in we went. She was tired, we had been around town and she had been watching what was going on. Often she will fall asleep in the supermarket. But on this occasion I was halfway round (during which time she had been smiling and gurgling at me) when she decided to scream, which she does sometimes do when overtired. It is a horrible noise. I gave up on doing much in the way of shopping and decided to get just three things, then I realised she wasn't going to settle despite much shushing and talking to her so I decided to grab the one essential (canned dog food - Ddog(12) was having an operation right then, and vet had told me to buy a particular food to give him that night after the op, and for next few days.)

So far so boring, sorry. As DD was screaming and I was whizzing around desperately looking for the dog food, several people made kind smiles or said "oh dear" "is she hungry" etc etc, one chap was with a guy in a wheelchair and made some joke to me that his mate did that too sometimes. I was feeling stressed and harassed and desperate to get back to car to comfort DD or drive home when I knew she would sleep.

The this one woman started asking if DD was ok and should she get some help. I said she is fine thanks just tired but she said DD didn't look fine, I said honestly she is overtired and we are heading home soon. Grabbed my dogfood, went through self-scan (no queue, hurrah) and was relieved to be able to go, when the woman was suddenly there again asking whether DD was ok, am I sure he is ok (thought she was a boy for some reason), he cannot be just tired, he sounds like she has something seriously wrong with him. I said she was fine just tired, she again suggested she get help for me and that DD must be very ill and he does not look well at all, and was being quite aggressive, lots of people were watching, she was shaking her head and she said she needed to do something and I asked what she had in mind, she told me she knows a lot about babies and that I must pick her up. In my flustered state I eventually muttered something about her calling the police or social services if she has concerns, DD is fine, and just hurried out, beetroot red and fighting back tears.

The woman was just so pushy and I felt so upset, it's not like me, I am 37 years old and I felt so small and defensive, I keep dwelling on what happened and how I should have handled it better. I guess I could have gone home and got dog food later but we live out in the country so that wouldn't have been easy.

DD calmed from screaming to a grizzle when I left the supermarket, and I tried to soothe her but felt I needed to get away from the woman in case she started following me so put DD in the car, started engine and left - DD quietened as soon as we started moving and was asleep by the time we left the carpark! (I have a mirror thingy so I can see her). She was her usual happy self later on, ate and slept well last night etc etc.

So AIBU unreasonable to be upset still? And I suppose I am also wondering, WIBU to stay in shop when DD got upset, and what should I have told the woman?

Thanks for reading!

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louisdog · 21/11/2012 16:56

I don't think DD would stop screaming if I picked her up, so I was trying to get the dog food and get out of there. I accept that I may have made the wrong decision but not sure why woman stopped me as I was leaving to tell me DD must be seriously ill.

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MissCellania · 21/11/2012 16:58

She was probably a Mumsnetter, one of the zealous sub-set that will recommend calling social services if you see a child whose socks don't match.

There was a thread last week with the OP talking about a baby crying in the supermarket and how there had to be something really wrong with it, and loads of people saying that she was right to be concerned and should do some undefined something.

louisdog · 21/11/2012 16:58

(And yes it was quite epic sorry! :p)

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YouBrokeMySmoulder · 21/11/2012 17:10

Maybe the woman was trying to say that your babies screaming is bloody annoying. It grates on me too when a baby is screaming for seemingly ages and the parent doesnt do anything. I wouldnt do or say anything but i would think that you needed to pick it up or feed it or something instead of shopping. Ie goto the cafe, calm baby down then continue with shopping.

After all on here if you leave your baby to cry for even a minute youre an unthinking harridan.

Just forget it. Theres no need to dwell on it.

BupcakesAndCunting · 21/11/2012 17:13

My grandad had dementia and on one of his worse days, this is exactly the type of thing he would have done. Makes me sad to think of a load of cows women on the internet calling him a nutter/nutjob/mental :(

louisdog · 21/11/2012 17:29

But you don't mind the thought of him harassing/upsetting people?

Sorry about your Grandad though.

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Alisvolatpropiis · 21/11/2012 17:31

I'm sorry about your grandad Bupcakes :(

I do think that a lot of the time (not always) people can tell the difference between someone being intrusive and rude and someone who is unwell.

When I did a customer service job there was an elderly(ish) gentleman who came in every couple of days. He could be quite aggressive sometimes. There was obviously something not right as opposed to him just being a tosser. It turned out he was recovering from a stroke,his wife made him a laminated piece of card explaining for when he just couldn't get the words out. But he didn't like to show it unless he absolutely had to.

BupcakesAndCunting · 21/11/2012 17:31

"But you don't mind the thought of him harassing/upsetting people?"

Actually, no. That's the worst he would have done, is give some unwanted "advice". I can't spend my days worrying about every delicate flower in the world.

Plus, he is dead now so I don't have the luxury of worrying about it.

BupcakesAndCunting · 21/11/2012 17:32

Aggression is a classic sign that someone has alzheimers/dementia.

PickledFanjoCat · 21/11/2012 17:38

Maybe they don't disagree with her in case she kicks them in the Clunge.

Whatever the reason op this type of stuff does happen and you just have to shrug it off. There was a thread yesterday about that lady with the pram outside.

I know what you mean though I was 36 with my first baby and when I got this type of thing the first few times I felt like a wibbling little teenager.

HoleyGhost · 21/11/2012 17:43

Aggressive people target those who look vulnerable.

Mothers with small babies always look vulnerable, but there are plenty of people who are soft targets for their whole lives

JenaiMathis · 21/11/2012 17:45

Pram outside? What was that about?

PickledFanjoCat · 21/11/2012 17:53

Lady got a row off a stranger for sitting kids outside wrapped up in pram.

It was on the other day..

BupcakesAndCunting · 21/11/2012 17:55

People leave their kids outside in prams do they?

Do they live in The Darling Buds of May?

JenaiMathis · 21/11/2012 18:04

It's not that long ago that people used to do that all the time. I think there were a few high-profile baby snatching cases about 20 years ago (if that) which put people off.

These days though I imagine people would leave the baby in the gutter and make off with the pram.

Goldenbear · 21/11/2012 18:06

YANBU but MrsDeVere, I was on the the other thread and this is not the same at all, for a start the OP's baby is 3 months, the baby in the other thread was 1 week old, was inappropriately dressed, I.e cold and the mum would not pick her up from one of those very uncomfortable supermarket car seats when she was screaming, despite having the help of her mum, the gran with her.

The trouble is not every screaming, crying baby not being responded to in public is crying out of tiredness, it is very niave to think otherwise. I was in a supermarket the other day and a mum was pushing around a screaming baby that was about 7 months old, she also had a 7/8 year old girl with her. The baby was chewing it's hand off in pain, dribbling, red faced. I felt for the mum at first as I have obviously experienced the same with my 2 in the past (dd, 19 months and DS 5) so I could relate but what I didn't understand was why she was ambling around, talking to her daughter about the Christmas display. There was no sense of urgency atall. It seemed really cold and mean to the baby to totally ignore her, take her time. Of course it's not a CP case but I don't get it, I think that kind of behaviour is worrying. My DS was very high needs but when he got like that I would rush to finish or leave. I couldn't leave him to deal with it.

SamSmalaidh · 21/11/2012 18:15

I haven't read all the replies, and although maybe this women didn't go about it the right way, maybe she was just concerned?

I find it really hard to listen to crying babies, and internally often shout just pick it up! Maybe get a ring sling or something so next time this happens you can hold the baby if she needs it while also doing your shopping?

MrsDeVere · 21/11/2012 18:23

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Goldenbear · 21/11/2012 18:50

Personally, I wouldn't deduce someone was common, even care from not picking up a baby.

The other thread described a woman who seemed to not be reacting in ANY way to her baby, this is not the case with the OP. it was questionable in the other thread why a mother out with the grandmother did not react in any way to a very upset 1 week old baby. Why did it take the Grandmother to pick up the baby. Most supermarkets are refrigerated or at least have cold aisles, a week old baby in a tshirt in late October in a trolley car seat with no soft blanket underneath to lessen the hardness- that is not a good scenario.

The age is very relevant - by 3 months you're more likely to know what upsets your baby, their tired times etc. by 1 week I doubt it. They are very very different threads.

MrsDeVere · 21/11/2012 18:57

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ImperialBlether · 21/11/2012 19:08

The first time I took my daughter out after she was born I fed her as soon as I got to the town centre. I put her in the pram after winding etc and after a few minutes she started to yell. A woman stopped me and told me to feed my child. I said I had and she said I clearly couldn't look after her properly; it was obvious she was hungry (a kind of "I've had six kids so I know what I'm talking about" tirade) and that basically I was doing it all wrong.

I got PND and I really don't think that woman helped. People need to be supportive, not judgemental if a baby's crying.

Goldenbear · 21/11/2012 19:24

I don't understand your last sentence MrsDeVere? The other thread was about the baby not being picked up? It didn't just seem the case in the other thread it was the case- she didn't pick her 1 week old baby up. She didn't react, her mum did.

Surely it is common sense, not ALL mums/Dads ignoring their babies cries and screams are struggling but ultimately caring individuals. There are people that do this and more and can/are abusive, neglectful.

MrsDeVere · 21/11/2012 19:28

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LadyBeagle · 21/11/2012 19:36

I'm sorry I always seem unsympathetic to these 'nasty old women in supermarket' threads, but I can honestly say, that when ds was a baby, and this was 17 years ago before I even knew Mum advice sites existed, I never experienced anything like so many other mothers on here seemed to have, and if it did happen it must have gone completely over my head.
I had a baby, he screamed at inappropriate times, that's what babies do.
I'm 56 and hear and see crying babies and tantrumming toddlers sometimes.

Who are all those crazy loons out there, because according to MN they're all over the place, tutting and grumping.
It must be a 21st century phenonomen (sp).

Goldenbear · 21/11/2012 19:39

I have been troubled by 3 incidences I have seen in supermarkets over 5/6 years - I confronted one of them, it was a clear cut case. I witnessed it, he was an abusive 'A' hole there was NO doubt about it. I'm not the wimpy type to ignore a bully if it's a clear cut case of abuse.