To think being conscious before 8am is not inherently good?

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I am not a morning person. I have absolutely nothing against morning people, in fact i am jealous of them and wish i was one. But i'm not.

Is it unreasonable to find it deeply annoying when people (I mean you two PIL!) make out there is something morally good about getting up early?

"We were up with the larks", "early to bed, early to rise!" etc...

Fine, if you get up early to get loads of jobs out of the way so you can have fun / relax the rest of the day, you have every right to mild smugness. But it is the act of getting stuff done that is good NOT the fact you are conscious.

Geting up early to sit and enjoy the peace and quiet. Fine, good for you. But not good, in itself. i prefer to enjoy the peace and quiet whilst snug in bed thank you

Being "up with the larks" in order to sit and drink 10 cups of tea and do the crossword does not make you "very good". It especially does not give you the right to look at me like I am a lazy cow. You sat and drank tea, i got some much needed kip. Neither of us actually got anything done and i am at least dressed whilst you are STILL in your pyjamas

And by the way DD decided it was morning at 5am so technically I was up before you and just went back for a nap. Grrr.

For what it's worth i think the opposite, where people make out going to bed early is boring, is just as annoying.

AIBU?

Lol dawn, please do it.

Cogito no one is arguing that 8 isn't late. But is staying in bed late a moral issue?

I've been very tempted in the past especially when i'm on cocktail no eleventy million

YANBU.

Not everyone lives an hour from work/45 minutes from school, so for DH, if he wants to be in by 9, he can be up, showered, dressed, and out of the door on time for work if he gets up at 8.30, so why shouldn't he? He's working until 8.30 pm at the moment and it is annoying that my neighbour (who is otherwise sweet) does enjoy commenting 'ooh, I saw [dh] in his dressing gown putting the recycling out, I'd been up for hours!'

Yes ... because you are retired and do not need to do anything especially tiring all day!

Not entirely relevant, btw, but until I hit about 25, I could not, for love or money, force myself out of bed before 8 or so without feeling groggy and awful. I don't know what happened, a switch flipped or something, but now I can quite happily get up at 6. It's very strange. I think teenagers actually need that sleep, too, don't they?

cogito when i work 8am is late. Absolutely. but when i don't have to be up to do anything then why on earth would i want to be awake?

No idea.... but you're a long time dead.

What sort of time do you all go to bed then?

Btw, I love that time when you're in bed and not asleep, but just sort of pleasantly snoozing and coming round to the fact it's light.

I am obviously inherently lazy as if is one of my favourite things.

Isn't it just a hangover from the days when most tasks had to be carried out in daylight hours due to the absence/cost of artificial lighting?

Unfortunately I go to bed about 11, sometimes a bit earlier. Currently forcing myself up at as close to 6am as I can.

I am like this, when I was able to wake naturally at a time that was right for me I used to wake about 9.30am. It was a rare few years between DS finally getting the hang of sleep and him going to pre-school and us then having to get up at 8 ish .

I now have to be up for 7.40 and I have got used to it. I've done my share of 6am (and earlier) starts and come to the conclusion they are not for me

Ah I miss sleep I have a darling toddler who definitely agrees that it's morally wrong to sleep past 7am, she gets her full 12hrs and believes its my own fault for not goint to bed at 7pm too

DP has a full time job and doesn't get out of bed til 8.

Up, shower clothes coffee, drive to work, start at 9.

I have a full time job too but we have this thing called flexible working, where it is recognised that there is nothing magical about the hours between 9 and 5, and if we get the work done we can work 10-6 or 11-7 (or more likely more than that in total, but the actual hours don't matter)

YAsoNBU. My parents are like this. They insist on being up pre 7am and what's worse, they WILL NOT make any effort to keep the noise down because obviously anyone still in bed is a lazy so and so. Even when they are staying with us they are up and clattering in the shower, waking the whole house FOR NO GOOD REASON on a Sunday morning. VVV annoying.

And they go on about 'wasting the day' and then proceed to slump in front of the tv from 8 -10pm and then straight to bed.

I desperately want a house with a granny annexe or guest room in loft/basement!

Cogito, spoken like someone who doesn't need sleep the way I do. If I don't get sleep the day is wasted because I'm just miserable (cue violins)

YANBU but I desperately, desperately want to be a morning person. In fact, if I could change one thing about myself, I would probably choose to become a morning person. I adore sleep!

I would actually find it worse to be one of those people who can't stay up late. My mum is like this - by 10pm she's yawning and if you are somewhere comfortable she'll actually fall asleep in her chair. She can stay up later if she forces herself but she doesn't enjoy it.

I'm 24 and I struggle every morning to get up. YANBU and I fail to see the difference between getting up and drinking vast amounts of tea or still being asleep.

I hate mornings. I can't function till I've had a cup of coffee. But I work shifts until 3/4am every weekend and till 1 am during the week so I'm definitely a night owl.

I hate it when I've worked all night and people judge me for getting up at 1pm. I've just had my 8 hours sleep at a different time. Grrr.

There's no moral issue, unless a person is habitually ignoring young DCs because they just CBA. Doesn't sound like this is the case with OP

My OH is a morning person, and I always thought I wasn't a morning person. In fact it's 8.20 am (where I am) and I'm having breakfast in my dressing gown. But, DDs have gone to school with a decent breakfast inside them and packed lunch. Turns out I can get up without any problem when I need to. This is different to when someone else needs/expects me to get up. Like the ILs.

In fact, when we were still living and working (pre-DC) in the UK SIL called just before 8 on a Saturday morning and was shocked when OH said "Uh" as he answered. She had waited until 8 to make sure she didn't call too early. She didn't do it again.

I ignore my dc every weekend morning till at least 9. They know they can either get in bed with me and go back to sleep, play in their room quietly or watch telly and help themselves to cereal. They know they are not allowed to wake me before 9 unless of emergency. I fail to see how that is immoral?

I think you're overthinking this

I personally prefer being up very early but I feel shit when I do.

I hate getting up early . Really , I hate it . I am the most unsociable person before 0800 . Which is unfortunate as I also work shifts , and if I'm getting up for early turn, means getting up at 0415 , out the door at 0425 , drive to mates house for 0450 , then he drives in to work for 0615. Meanwhile I an usually slumped in the passenger seat snoring , and dribbling . It's not attractive .

However to be fair , he loathes late turns ,which I don't mind , so then I drive and he slumps in the passenger seat burbling instead , until we get home at 1am.

What a lot of morning people forget is that the non-morningers stay up later than them. It's not that they're being more 'lazy' overall.

I have the opposite problem. My PIL sleep till 1-2pm and think people who get up early are bonkers.

When we visit, the kids and I spend from 6AM until 2PM sitting in the living room with me going "ssssshhhhh"... Then I have to stay up until 1AM yawning while they chat with gusto.

I find that more freaky.

Inneedofbrandy How old do they have to be before you can start them on this? Give me a crumb of hope!

I have always done this. When they were to young to make themselves breakfast I used to go to bed with a couple of brioche rolls by the side of my bed and they would come into my bed play with their toys and eat their brioche's while I would wake up slowly. Now they -are both school age am waiting on dd being old enough to bring me a cuppa!