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to wish I'd said something to this friend

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NoTeaForMe · 12/11/2012 13:39

So I have a friend I met through being pregnant, our children are now 2. She quite often says things that irritate me. She often gets her child to 'perform' you know the kind of thing goes through colours etc. Well done very clever, but without being horrible I don't really care what he can and can't do. They all have things they can do and can't do they're 2 for gods sake!

Anyway, when we had the children she had a caesarean after the baby got distressed. I had a 'natural' childbirth after being induced with syntocin (had GBS) didn't go as I had planned in many ways but I don't think anyone's seems to! At the time she talked a lot about how hard a caesarean is and how much worse the recovery is and just generally how much easier and better off we were for having a natural birth. I said lots of times she couldn't compare them as she had only done one, I'm not saying a c-section is a walk in the park but a natural birth is fucking painful and it's not like there is no recovery time at all. Anyway so skip a couple of years and we're both pregnant again! She has said that I clearly had birth issues after my last birth because I was so angry and no-one could talk to me about birth. I didn't say anything back as one of the toddlers talked to me, so got me out of the situation! AIBU to wish I'd have said something like 'my only issue is with why you seem intent on putting everyone down who went through a 'natural' childbirth, you can not compare the two as you have only done one! Yes you have a scar on your tummy and yes you went through a major operation, no-one is arguing that must be hard...but I suffered a huge tear and graze and was stitched up, that hurts too actually!'

I don't think c-sections are easy, I don't know really as I have never had one, but it pisses me off that she thinks they are SO much harder, she doesn't know!

Whoops! That was a lot longer than I thought it would be! Bit of a rant too, sorry!

OP posts:
hobnobsaremyfavourite · 12/11/2012 14:55

I love that anti competitive thing , I do it with a couple of uber-mums in DD's class who could make breathing a competitive sport. The more they boast the more laid back and negligent easy going a parent I become Grin it's great fun . They probably think DD is the worst parented child on the planet Grin

kerala · 12/11/2012 15:00

Its such fun hobnob. Especially if secretly you know you would "beat" them if you chose to unleash your arsenal but you opt not to eg the "my child is on level 25 reading" brigade, I dont mention DD is a free reader and not even on the levels anymore. I love it when people who could boast dont. The chap in my parents village who lived in the £3 million house 15th century manor house who would quietly say he was plumber at dinner parties (he was but owned a plumbing business).

FolkGhoul · 12/11/2012 15:13

These sort of stories always amaze me.

I have 'shared' basic birth story details (e.g. one VB, one EMCS) but I can't see why anyone would feel the need to be competitive about it!

B1ueberryMuffin · 12/11/2012 15:16

She's in the wrong for making these comments, but you're too sensitive too. You're both in the same 'zone' as each other where this stuff matters. I've friends I've made through the school and I haven't a fekking clue how their kids were born. So the problem is that you're both in that babyzone. Get out of that. Don't lose a friend.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 12/11/2012 15:26

pity her. She is clearly very insecure indeed.

oh...and ditch her....

life is too short to waste it on people who bring you down

(although, if you can get past the stress .. the noncompetitive thing is brilliant!!)

Ionlylikeitwhenitrains · 12/11/2012 15:32

She's a twat. It's mainly women who have have vaginal births that still suffer the effects 1,2,5 years down the line. I'd get rid, everything to her is a competition and you'l never win.

Marzipanface · 12/11/2012 15:40

She is the one who is angry about her birth. Not you. You know that don't you?
I would ignore all her comments. It's clearly just sour grapes on her part.

ioness · 12/11/2012 15:58

It's just really short sighted to make those sorts of comments. Everybody has a different experience and whatever the birth, some people have difficulties afterwards.

I think I'd be more worried about her general comparing/competitiveness because that can get worse as dc get older.

EricNorthmansFangBanger · 12/11/2012 16:02

It's all subjective to be honest. Regardless of what way you've given birth, it a deeply personal experience and no-one should belittle another's experience.

Personally, I've had an EMCS and an ELCS. Neither of them were easy and each had their own problems they brought. I get highly annoyed when anyone assumes that one way of giving birth is easier than another. My SIL said to me after she had her DD that she would rather have an elective Caesarian any day and would prefer to next time. She had a tear but it is annoying that she believes it's easier to have a CS. I just nodded and smiled. I'm currently pregnant with dc3, so am looking at another definite section again. Congrats on being pregnant btw!

frantic51 · 12/11/2012 16:17

Don't take any notice and don't waste your breath saying anything. I had ELCS for DD1 as was "old" first time mum Hmm and she was breach. An EMCS with DS as was all set for vaginal delivery but he got distressed (midwife had missed the fact that he was over 12lbs!) and when I got pregnant with DD2 I knew that would be facing another ELCS. A "friend" told me I'd, "had it easy" and asked me if I felt sad knowing that I would never be a, "proper" mother!!!! Needless to say, she is an ex friend now! Grin

BalloonSlayer · 12/11/2012 16:30

I had 3 c-sections and they were all a doddle.

I feel ashamed when people have horrendous birth stories and say to me "oh but I know caesareans are not the easy option." Bloody well were for me.

B1ueberryMuff1n · 12/11/2012 17:12

how refreshing balloonslayer! i know the old vaginal route heals quicker at the time, but my pelvic floor aint god. how's the old pelvic floor after a caesar ?

B1ueberryMuff1n · 12/11/2012 17:13

good i mean

flow4 · 12/11/2012 17:25

I've had both: one 32 hour labour leading to a vaginal delivery, an episiotomy and a rip that the nurse said was the worst she'd ever seen... Then an unexpected and unwanted (but technically 'planned') caesarian because DS2 was breach and 'unstable'...

My caesarian was definitely worse - about 10 times worse. (I could go into reasons, but no-one really wants to know?! Grin ) Women who have unexpected caesarians are often quite disturbed by it and take longer to recover.

Everyone's experiences are different though, and it's foolish to think one 'type' of birth is better or worse than another.

frantic51 · 12/11/2012 17:33

Blueberry, pelvic floor is just grand, I'm now in my 50s and still have absolutely not problems at all in that department! Grin My own personal experience was that the recovery from the ELCS was swift both times but from the EMCS took a looooooong time and was horrendous. (Like flow, I won't go into the gruesome details Wink )

B1ueberryMuff1n · 12/11/2012 17:35

i'm jealous. imo the important thing is a live baby at the end of delivery however it gets there. can't undestad the drama either way. but i will say that if i skip i leak. if i get drunk and laugh..... you can guess the rest.

Lavenderhoney · 12/11/2012 17:50

Kerala I am going to pinch your responses, never thought of it. Next time über mom gives me the sneery once over - me, jeans, t shirt, her power suit and heels and bitches loudly with tappy fingers at teacher being 30 seconds over, I am going to say something like ' doesnt bother me, we're not up to much today" instead of meekly agreeing and trying to look like I give a sausage.

Op, your mate sounds a bit full on about birth. But you onl see her once a week, do you talk in the meantime? If you are friends and talk lots, you could ask her to stop, otherwise just say to your other friend you go swimming or another toddler group that day, and do that. You can always see your mate time. Or why not invite another lady or 2 along for regular meet ups? Would enable you to see your friend and dilute the other one.

FTRsMammy · 12/11/2012 19:17

My 'natural' birth had so much intervention and was so traumatic I had PTSD and pnd afterwards that required 28 months of treatment Sad and it took until my DS was 3 before I would even discuss the idea of having another baby with my DH.
Saying one type of birth is harder than the other is a very sweeping generalisation, everyone's birth experience is different.
When she starts her crap just respond mmhmm and change the subject, you don't need to justify your birth experience to anyone.

Galaxycounters · 13/11/2012 09:52

I love Kerala's suggestions. I can imagine one or two uber mums that I know being totally horrified if I make myself out to be a lax parent!

puds11 · 13/11/2012 09:57

Next time she says something just 'yeah my birth was great, i just coughed and the baby popped straight out'

Dozer · 13/11/2012 09:58

She sounds like a PITA, avoid. Have had to cut back contact with a couple of old, previously close friends of over competitive/smug parenting /womanhood! I did the smile, nod, "you must be soooo proud", "that must've been hard" thing, but got to the point when couldn't do it any longer and felt cross and wanting to make rude remarks most of time when with them, so knew had to get away from them!

kerala · 13/11/2012 15:11

A good few years ago my ex was making conversation with a stranger at a party. THe stranger said he was in a band so ex wittered on about how hard that must be to make pay etc. Ex found out afterwards the guy was in Massive Attack. He was very Blush

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