to think that Taylor Swift song 'We are never ever getting back together' is actually rather praiseworthy?

[HalloweenyHerrena]

Girl meets boy. They break up because they haven't seen each other for a month. He calls up claiming he loves her and can change, she takes him back, it lasts for a minute, he picks fights and claims he needs his space and is generally a bit of a hot&cold character.

She gets fed up of this behaviour, dumps him and strolls off into the sunset refusing to acknowledge his whiny attempts to suck her back into his emotional fuckwittery. She lives happily ever after and he - well, we frankly don't care what happens to him.

Am I wrong to derive a message of 'You shouldn't stand for being messed around by an idiot - dump him' from this whole thing and AIBU to think that's a pretty good message to enforce on teenagers (presumably the target audience)?

plus which it ain't cool imo to write about people you've had relationships with... is nothing sacred?

That's Adele's career going down the drain then [hgrin]

True Badger - but Adele never seems to diss them or come across as bitter as TS does

Faff which songs or dissing incidents are you on about? The only song that I would even really consider v bitter or a diss was dear John about John Mayer on her last album, which wasn't even that bad, and anyway in her new album she has a song i knew you were trouble where she takes the blame herself for letting herself get hurt by him. She doesn't diss exes in interviews at all and she doesn't talk about her personal life. I think she is a good role model and she always comes across as really lovely!

Ellen I'm not enough of a TS fan to know the how ins and outs and every words to her songs so I probably shouldn't have commented as I did but I think the songs in relation to John Mayer refer to him as being treachorous and a fiery burning wreckage.

Not that bad in the greater scheme of things but she does have a reputation for writing songs about all her ex boyfriends and making no secret as to who they are about.

I doubt kanye west would agree with you.

Fair enough faff. The song Treacherous is not really a diss as such. It is a beautiful song about continuing a relationship where you know you will probably risk getting hurt but going for it anyway because you feel so drawn to the person.

This has to be one of her worst songs ever.

and making no secret as to who they are about

Yeah that's the essence of it really. Of course artists write about their lovers but it's usually more of an abstract thing like that song 'Rosanna', about Rosanna Arquette (what was the band again?). There's a sort of 'woman scorned' quality to Swift's stuff which I find ... I dunno, immature? Fact is, even the worst split, if it's down to incompatibility not abuse etc, you can come back from it and be friendly with that person down the line, but Tay Tay's sort of ruling out that possibility with her jilted homecoming queen style ramblings...

But I do agree, she's more of a role model than that Rihanna... sick hearing her banging on about her sexual preferences and looking at her half-naked body tbh, not to mention that dirtbag Chris Brown. Go away Rihanna.

I heard that Taylor Swift song on the radio the other day and liked the message in the lyric. Am now listening to Beautiful South on Youtube thanks to this thread (am old!)

I like TAylor, which is just as well as DD (16) is a big fan. I think her lyrics are often well thought out (I've used some as introduction to poetry work in school with teenagers) and that she is a good role model. She does write about real people, but I think this just makes her a more positive influence on young girls - they recognise that she has had the same sort of experiences as they have and that she has recovered.

It's a good message for everyone.

MmeLindor - I thought that too!! It's a horrible song with a horrible message IMO.

I once listened to that 'Foundations' song by Kate Nash and the line 'My fingertips are holding onto the cracks in our foundations' really really resonated with me at the time. In fact I'd go so far as to say that it made me realise just how miserable I was in the relationship and made me do something about it. So the right song at the right time can make a difference in your life, I think. This TS song seems like one of them....

I am a big fan of taylor swift I heard that Taylor Swift song on the radio nd i love it :P :P :P :P