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AIBU?

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Original poster

to ask at what age you expect dc to pay fine for not paying a train fare ?

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omghelpmeplease · 18/10/2012 20:57

ds got caught for not paying
what age do you say - you pay ?
he is 15
did it on purpose
sold rubbish dvd player to shop and got 15 for it (fine is 20)
he gets 5 a week pocket money if he tidies his room
he went out tonight and blew the 15 on sweets (!)
said oh well 'the parents' will have to pay it coz i am under age
What are the legal ins and outs?
are we liable? (Cant afford it!)
is he ?

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mumblechum1 · 19/10/2012 09:17

What Hecate said.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 17:02

i agree
thanks

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TapirBackRider · 19/10/2012 17:08

OP - there are a few different types of fine regarding ticket offences; what does his fine say, where was it issued, and was the fine issued by a ticket inspector or a police officer?

stitch · 19/10/2012 17:08

10 is the age of criminal responsibility. Personally I think it should be lowered to 8.
A 15 year old not paying is wrong. His parents having to worry about it is pathetic. Make him sell his stuff to pay it. or sell it yourself.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 18:25

issued on train by ticket inspector
says penalty fare notice / receipt
says if Dont say prosecuted under criminal law
maximum penalty £1000 or 3 months imprisonment

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TapirBackRider · 19/10/2012 18:34

Okey doke - then the info in the pm is correct.

Here's a link to Merseyrails FAQ's page for prosecutions - where it mentions the railways act 1889, section 5, it is in relation to not having a valid ticket to travel.

Where you go from here is very much down to your ds.

TapirBackRider · 19/10/2012 18:35

oh pants - forgot the link

www.merseyrail.org/about-us/prosecutions.html

ilovemydogandMrObama · 19/10/2012 18:38

guess it's OK if you're George Osbourne...

Wonder if that would work as a defence?

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 18:39

and it applies to a 15 year old definitely not to us as parents?

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 18:40

his aide paid for the upgrade though..

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TapirBackRider · 19/10/2012 18:49

From what my dh has said, yes it applies to a 15yr old; however....not every rail company deals with these matters in the same way. Some will prosecute no matter what the age, and others won't bother if the person concerned is under 16.

Only Merseyrail will be able to tell you what their policy regarding this is.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 18:52

thank you every one especially tapir
will have chat with ds and tell him what is what. and he can choose to sell something or be very aware of the consequence if he doesnt.
x

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mutny · 19/10/2012 19:00

I would tell him
A - if the police would be called on anyone, it will be on him. If he called the police there would be serious consequences for HIM as he was brandishing a knife and his brother did not attack him but evaded him.
B-He is responsible for the fine and it will either be paid by not receiving any pocket money for x amount of weeks or working it off. If he chooses to work it off and then refuses or stops his pocket money will be stopped. The third option is that YOU sell a possession of his.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 19:33

husband cross with me for suggesting the selling
ds latched onto this and said fine sell my x box which i bought in august for his birthday
he would never normally get something this expensive and dh says as he hasnt got much possessions it just gives the message that mum gets you something expensive and if he needs cash just sell it for little money
he said why Dont i just tell him when he is 16 to just get a wonga loan if he needs cash.
feel stupid
and yes son will typically cut nose off to spite his face

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mutny · 19/10/2012 19:36

I think you and dp need to discuss how you are going to handle him because it needs a united front.

I am very concerned for your other children.

Kalisi · 19/10/2012 19:41

Wow OP I really feel for you! Can't believe your OH is not supporting you on this, no wonder DS bahaves so disrespectfully towards you.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 19:48

mutny why are you concerned for my other children?
they are all well behaved good bt school and home etc

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IneedAsockamnesty · 19/10/2012 20:00

do not get him to get a loan its pointless at 16 he cant take out credit and its not a good lesson.

if he has very little i agree with your dh re selling stuff. make him work to pay it off.

how much is the fine

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 20:02

the loan was a snipe at me about selling things and devaluing what is bought for him

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 20:03

it wasnt a suggestion

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mutny · 19/10/2012 20:10

mutny why are you concerned for my other children? they are all well behaved good bt school and home etc

It wasn't a comment about your parenting or your other children's behavior. It was a comment about the fact that he pulled a knife on his brother and if something is not done this situation could escalate into something dangerous. He clearly does not think he is ever wrong as he thinks that if he called the police his brother would be arrested, when it would be him.

There is a lady who posts on MN and her son behaved like this. It escalated into him hurting the siblings and having to be removed from the house and placed in care facility. Which did not help him, but he was a danger to the other children.

Thats why I am worried.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 20:37

you are so right about him never thinking he is wrong
we have a meeting bt school after half term about behaviour issues escalating again bt school too

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mutny · 19/10/2012 21:10

As long as you know I wasn't having a dig at your parenting, because I honestly wasn't.

Its sounds like its not a case of he doesn't think he is wrong, but that it would never even enter his head that his behavior is not ok. IYSWIM.

Have you and dp discussed this escalation and the knife incident?

missymayhemsmum · 19/10/2012 21:44

He threatened his brother with a knife, but you're worried about him getting a £20 fine?
Get his brother to report the knife incident to the police, let the fine issue take its legal course, and make him take the consequences of his actions. (but take some legal advice to check whether if you don't pay it it will be you who has several hundred pounds of court costs)
And get him a season ticket instead of giving him cash if you don't trust him to buy a ticket.

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omghelpmeplease · 19/10/2012 21:51

Cant get season ticket
done that
loses it
really there are so many issues this is one of many
got my answer any way so thanks all

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