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to have sobbed my heart out at work today because I shouldn't have to do this

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caniscantanymore · 17/10/2012 20:53

I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this :(

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D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 09:40

A lot of vets do smile and nod and take the dog into a back room to be pts 'later' upon which it is smuggled out of the backdoor and into the arms of a local rescuer, but as OP pointed out, the space in such rescues is limited and not all rescues are equal.

The very small rescue I work with (they have around 12 volunteers and no kennels) currently have in 26 dogs, way over capacity and a list of another 5 dogs waiting to come in. There is simply no more space. Of course they 'find' space when and were they can. A good rescue can magic up a spot as if from no-where in an emergency, although at some point even the best rescues have to say enough, for the sake of the welfare of the dogs already with them.

Equally rescues have to be completely honest about the dogs we are rehoming. Unlike people on FB we can't tell you our puppy is very loving and sits nicely waiting to be fed without letting you know that it also constantly jumps at you, is a complete nutter on it's lead and is in rescue because it has been reported to have bitten a child. We can train and train and train, and we do, my puppy will be doing his Bronze award in January, at my own expense, to help him find a home and is attending a week long intensive training course with me in December, we still have to give the dogs full history and rightly so, but it does mean that rescues can end up 'clogged' with dogs who have had behavioural problems in the past.

If people want to help then foster, donate, volunteer or simply 'join' rescues on FB etc and 'share' the dogs needing homes.

I can't see that there will ever be less dogs treat like the one OP met today, so there needs to be more people willing to help. Not all dogs who come in have behaviour issues and the ones who do are only given to fosterers who have the knowledge and experience to deal with that dog's particular issue. Perfectly well behaved family dogs pass through the doors of rescues every day due to death, illness, financial worries, marital breakdowns or emigration.

Imo change needs to start at the top with tighter control on the breeding, sale and exchange of dogs and educating the next generation of dog owners. Bigger rescues and the media need to start being brutally honest about what is going on and how many healthy, loving dogs they are forced to kill or turn away for want of space to put them.

Even rescues need to be more tightly controlled. Any idiot can set up a rescue, without having a clue what they are doing. 'Rescues' like this give the professionals and rescue dogs in general a very bad name.

PerfectStranger74 · 18/10/2012 09:41

Oh, that's such a sad post! Sorry you had to do that, and thank you for highlighting the problem Sad

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 09:43

Flatbread got a kicking on her first thread for irresponsibly allowing her dog to produce a litter. She didn't agree that she should have had her dog spayed, she didn't agree that she wasn't the right person to find the pups homes. She took none of the responsibility for her own choices and actions.

She also talks about Pack Theory (disproved) and how crossbreeds are stronger than pedigrees (not proved)

Ever since she has dipped in and out of the Dog House and made a point of going against the majority view. She is holding a grudge, likes a fight, and enjoys winding people up.

She is quick to judge in all circumstances, doesn't think through the consequences, wont be told she is wrong and eventually goes off in a huff.

She has no credentials, is not a vet, is not a vet assistant, is not a behaviourist, is not a Rescue worker.

It is best not to rise to her (or listen to her).

gussiegrips · 18/10/2012 09:43

If it's one dog in, one dog out at a rescue centre - how do they decide which one's out?

Cutest, most likely to be adopted 'v' difficult, least likely to be adopted?

takeonboard · 18/10/2012 09:44

Teary reading this, so Sad for the poor dog, you and the owner who felt he had no option.

Your post has certainly made me think, I wish you get this message out to more people.

Blackballoon · 18/10/2012 09:51

It's all very well finding a place in a rescue centre for a dog but that doesn't equal a home. There are not enough homes for all the dogs in need of one. Therefore I think it is better for the dog to be euthanased than spend months in a kennel which is a scary environment for a lot of dogs. People are very blinkered to the reality of the situation this country is in when it comes to unwanted dogs. The people who are breeding all these dogs should be the ones being blamed, not the vet who has to consider the dogs welfare and sadly end the dogs life.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 09:51

Huh, LtDallas? So if you try to discredit me, somehow it becomes perfectly ok to kill young, heathy dogs without making adequate effort to find them a home?

fluffyraggies · 18/10/2012 09:51

Cried at the OP :(

Ploughed through rest of thread.

Attacking vets for putting down unwanted pets is going about things backwards! This is the symptom of the problem. Attack the cause!

I'm thinking about that ad on the TV - dogs trust is it? "We never put a healthy dog down". I've always wondered how they achieve this. I think they'd be better off saying "We'll take your pet in if we can - but the chances are it, or one other will get put down in the end".

Otherwise it's perpetuating this fairytale tardis style dog home, which never fills up, where the dogs all run around in fields leading the life of riley. Wrong! Gives the wrong message out to the public that a dog is disposable.

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 09:52

One dog in one dog out is a council pounds way of working and it is often the dog who has been waiting the longest who goes 'out'. Rescues take in as many dogs as possible from pounds.

No kill rescues simply stop taking dogs in when they are too full and turn away the pound dogs and the unwanted pets, sadly, knowing that by turning them away they are most likely sentencing them to death.

Theo, truly dangerous dogs in no kill rescue are often kept by the rescues themselves or handed to someone more experienced and in a better position to keep the dog safely and away from the public. Rescues more often than not have qualified and experienced behaviourists working with them who are able to asses and rehabilitate most dogs and then find suitable homes, normally away from children, with experienced, responsible owners, who takes steps to continue improving behaviour and to manage the dog in a safe way.

Larger no kill rescues like Dogs Trust 'cherry pick' which dogs they take in and won't take any with severe bevahioural issues or who are unlikely to find a home due to age or breed, to prevent their kennels becoming full of hard to home dogs.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 09:53

Btw, I am actually am a rescue worker and foster carer for dogs and cats, I take full responsibility for my dogs and frankly, you sound quite deranged getting off on a personal attack.

fluffyraggies · 18/10/2012 09:55

Should have said perpetuating the myth of a fairytale dog home ...

Yes dooin, and Dogs Trust should be clear about this in their ads i recon.

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 09:55

Flatbread, you have form, and you know it. So this Rescue that you work at, and these animals you foster, is that in UK or France? Isn't it hard to foster when you move between the two countries on a monthly basis?

GrimmaTheNome · 18/10/2012 09:56

I think if people had to kill their own pets, chances are it would haunt them for ever. Many would not be able to do it and would work out a solution for keeping the dog or really try to find a rescue, that can take them in.

Fan-bloody-tastic idea. Not.
So, DIY killing; 'find a rescue' - that is not always possible and some can't keep the dog long before it (or another) is PTS. That can just be buckshifting . Or, if they can't do one or the other - abandon at the vets (great, vet still has the responsibility and the arsehole owner gets out of paying and can self-justify that they didn't have an option). Or the dog gets abandoned...which is bad for the dog, and if it actually is aggressive (or becomes so after abandonment) - well terrific result there. Potential for all sorts of harm.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 18/10/2012 09:58

canis I hear you. Your post is so very sad.

This is why people in The Doghouse get so frustrated when things like this happen.

Binkyridesagain · 18/10/2012 09:59

I own Raptors. I visit youth organisations with them, give educational talks etc.
As a result of this thread I shall change my warnings and advice about raptor ownership to include all animals.

Never become an owner of any animal until you can fulfil all of its requirements, physically and mentally, for the rest of its life!

MTBMummy · 18/10/2012 10:00

OP - I'm so sorry you had to go through that - I actually gave up on my vet degree, because I personally couldn't face having to put healthy happy dogts down.

It makes me so sad, that so many dogs end up this way or dumped in rescues because of stupid owners who don't do their research and expect a perfect dog without training.

Sadly we don't have a dog, as we'd prefer to get a rescue, but with a 3 year old we cannot find a single rescue that will let us adopt :(
(the secure graden, someone at home all day, experience with dogs don't seem to matter)

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 10:01

Vets who kill dogs are also perpetuating a fairy-tale ending - 'Fido knew nothing and died happy'

It is of no benefit to a young dog to be killed, just because the owner and vet somehow pretend it was in the best interests of the dog without making an effort to find an alternative solution.

I will say this again, there are rescues that have spaces, the dog deserves a chance to be found a home, instead of killing it because that was the easiest option.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 10:02

I do believe that Flatbread is an animal lover and she does care, it's not the worst crime in the world. I am not excusing attacking the OP though, better to just ignore things you don't agree with.

At the end of the day, everyone is on the same side here, regardless of theory. and I do see why Dallas is frustrated, there have been so many of these Bonio fights over the same same subjects and they never end well. I wish everyone could combine their energies and DO SOMETHING!
I will make banners!

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 10:04

What about inviting whatever minister is responsible for this for a q and a? I still think we should have a campaign, this site is extremely powerful.

RuleBritannia · 18/10/2012 10:04

There are too many dogs and cats in this country as pets. If we were to have fewer dogs, there would be less dog poo in the streets. OP, you did the right thing.

Bring back dog licences at a price far dearer than 7/6. We might have more responsible owners then. If they are found allowing their dogs to poo in the street or where people walk (eg path, beach) and don't pick it up, their dogs should be confiscated and ...... That might teach them a lesson.

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 10:04

MTBMummy, we got MuttDog from Many Tears when DD was 4, have you tried them?

We got Fatjess from DogsTrust (in Shropshire) when DD was a babe in arms, again have you tried them?

Hope you find one Smile

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 10:04

MTBMummy, try your local Dogs Trust, Blue Cross or a sighthound rescue. Smaller, independent rescues normally assess on a case to case basis with no blanket bans on children.

MTAR also re home around the country with no blanket ban on children, but they do now charge for behavioural advise, which I think is wrong.

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 10:05

X post!

Latara · 18/10/2012 10:08

My cat was extremely aggressive at 5 months old when i got her from the RSPCA - again, one of the many cats who needs a no-pet, no-children home.

The RSPCA said she ''wasn't properly socialised'' - luckily for my cat i had no idea what 'not socialised' means & they chose not to explain - i think they were desperate for her to have another chance, as she'd been rehomed once before, so i was the 3rd owner.
She'd have been euthanased definitely if i'd returned her.

Socialisation is the process where a kitten or puppy gets used to it's mother, siblings, other pets, humans (male, female, adults, children, babies), various normal noises, traffic etc.

Kittens that are taken from their mothers too early adopt bad or strange behaviours for comfort; also they are unused to normal households.

It was telling that my cat was: terrified of men, hated toddlers & babies - she actually tried to attack them but i stopped her before she got near; she had no idea how to behave around other cats, was jealously attached to me & very anti-social in her behaviours.

She was lucky in that i don't give up - i just put gloves & boots on at home so she couldn't bite through to the bone (yes, she tried to seriously cause harm after getting angry at not being allowed to, for example, get in a kitchen cupboard on top of the plates - she would stop, stare at me thoughtfully then attack my legs or arms.)
I still have some scars today but i'm proud to say that 5 years later she's soft, only bites or scratches when playing, friendly to most people including young children, & generally behaves well.
She even lets me comb & brush her long fur daily now, without attacking!

But anyone slightly less patient would have returned her to the RSPCA, I was advised to do so many times by close family (who now love her to bits). I wouldn't have blamed anyone who choose to do that because it was extremely difficult to 'retrain' my cat (luckily successful in the end - after reading lots of cat behaviour books!).

PLEASE could anyone who breeds kittens ensure they are socialised before homing them; & PLEASE don't let toddlers or idiotic grown men 'tease' your kitten; DON'T take kittens away from the mother to early; in fact PLEASE just get your kittens neutered asap & DON'T breed from them to make money.

Shesparkles · 18/10/2012 10:09

OP this must be such a harrowing part of your work. I really feel for you.
I've recently had a bit of a internal struggle about getting a dog, but common sense has told me I cant give a dog what IT needs, despite it being likely that it could give me what I need, maybe one day....