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to have sobbed my heart out at work today because I shouldn't have to do this

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caniscantanymore · 17/10/2012 20:53

I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this :(

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pigletmania · 18/10/2012 22:42

Cani thanks for coming back to us, sad sad situation

Scuttlebutter · 18/10/2012 22:46

Canis, I've followed this thread with interest.

I'm a dog rescue volunteer, and in general have nothing but praise for the veterinary profession. I could recount numerous examples, too many to list of vets who've undercharged for rescue work, "forgotten" to send in bills, and have often ensured that dogs brought in for PTS are in fact funnelled into rescue.

A recent paper I saw in one of the vet journals said that vets typically faced this type of ethical dilemma, on average at least once a week. Sad

As you and other vets have previously posted, this inevitably takes a toll, sometimes in very tragic circumstances.

As a vet in this circumstance, you were at the end of a long chain of circumstances, yet were being asked to take action that less responsible actors had dodged. The only comfort you and others can take is that you have made the effort to ensure this animal met its end with peace and comfort and without fear. As a rescue volunteer I have seen far too many dogs (especially greyhounds, which is what I mainly help) not be given even this comfort.

Please don't let the words of one cruel poster touch you, and I hope you and so many other vets will continue to do all the good work that goes on each day, quietly and unsung; many people do appreciate and respect the work that you do, not least the fact that you have to regularly wrestle with these issues.

CoolaSchmoola · 18/10/2012 22:50

You sound like my old vet. She is an amazing vet.

I have two rescue pooches one 11, one 4 - in between I rescued two more and had to have one euthanised at 7mths due to serious Mega-Oesophagus and constant infections despite spending thousands on every treatment going. The other was a mistreated incontinent old lady with a heart murmur. I paid for surgery to remove the most awful bladder stones, and in two weeks she was dry. She died a year and a half later, no longer scrawny, in her sleep on a sofa. We packed everything a dog's life should contain into the times with had with those pooches. Holidays, beaches, toys, fun, love.

My vet actually phoned me about pooch 2 - badly broken shoulder, fixable, the owners asked her to amputate the leg of a four month old pup because it was CHEAPER. Lovely vet took the dog, arranged for DT to cover costs, and rang me to ask if I wanted her once her surgery was done.

It was the second time in four months that my lovely pooch had been in with a broken leg, first time it was a simple fracture, the second massively complex. There were doubts over how it happened. The owners clearly didn't give a shit - who asks a vet to amputate a leg that can be saved on a puppy with it's whole life ahead of it - because it's CHEAPER?!

There are some disgusting people out there. Thankfully there are also some lovely people like my old vet. She rocks.

Sounds like the OP does too :)

ThisIsMummyPig · 18/10/2012 22:57

You are a wonderful person doing a job which has a shitty side. I have absolutely no idea why you thought you would be flamed for being upset about the shitty side.

I feel for you.

simplesusan · 18/10/2012 23:02

Op- You did the right thing.
I am constantly amazed at the number of people who seem to have shit for brains when it comes to animals.
Don't get a bloody dog if you cannot walk and exercise it twice a day, every day. It's not rocket science.

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 18/10/2012 23:20

I don't want to get drawn into the details of Flatbread's contribution, because I believe it detracts a bit from the discussion, but it does so neatly encapsulate the problem that I can't say nothing. Those who see nothing wrong with yet another litter of pups being churned out are clearly failing to grasp the enormity of the problem they are causing. Such a fundamental lack of understanding means that further argument is pretty pointless - it would be like trying to teach a retriever the offside rule. We can toss the football around but we will never get them to see sense.

Yes. But she'll never see it - she's given her dogs an extra hug tonight. I'll give my rescue dog (stray-rescuekennels-foster-newowner-kennelsagain-foster-then finally us- his forever home - an extra hug too.

The world doesn't need more unplanned litters of pups.

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 23:26

I am going to shamelessly hijack this thread.

Why does my vet want to wait till my dog has a season before spaying. She is a Lab, he says her size is an issue and a chance that she may go into season as early as 6 months - so could be close to being in season when they operate and make it harder??

I really don't want to keep her excersise limited for 28 days or risk a dog getting in Sad, my last Lab was done before she had a season.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 18/10/2012 23:32

A few years back we were at the vets with our moggie.
A man rushed into the waiting room:
"My dog has just been 'got at^ (mated) .How much to terminate the pg?"

The vet nurse asked him a few questions and told him it would be £35 (I'm assuming this is the injection that's been mentioned)

He then asked "How much for a life termination"?
The vet nurse was Shock and clarified "What, you mean PTS"?

This was exactly what he meant. The price was also £35.

He nodded and left to weigh it up.

Injection to prevent pg or PTS his dog. How much did the price sway his final decision?

caniscantanymore · 18/10/2012 23:38

Honey, I am going to bed now so I'm going to cop out of answering this one! From a quick search this old thread contains some discussion. My personal opinion is that I like to wait until after a season, but I do not rigorously apply this to all cases as for some people this would be inadvisable

Discuss with your vet :)

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caniscantanymore · 18/10/2012 23:39

old thread Blush

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pigletmania · 19/10/2012 06:44

70lisa Shock what a wanker. He should have a lifetime ban on keeping pets. Thanks for your post charity what a very helpful insight. Please take note flatbread

HoneyDragon · 19/10/2012 07:13

It's ok Grin
I didn't want professional advice, just wanted to know what others had been told/done.

LtEveDallas · 19/10/2012 07:36

Morning Honey Smile

We had MuttDog done smack on 6 months as she was constantly around complete boys. Vet didn't had a problem with it, said it was better than having a litter of unwanted pups. She was done before first season.

RottDog was done after first season, and I wish she had been done before. I know anecdote +/= data but I think going through puberty was part of what has made her the barky / sulky teenager I know and love.

Given the choice I would always spay before first season. Even if Mutt wasnt around complete boys I would have said she was.

HoneyDragon · 19/10/2012 08:18

Hmmmm see I'm confused as its the same vet that did Dragon Dog at 6 months.
As it turns out I may not be able to do it till January when she'll be 9 months anyway Sad, when she's 9 months.

HoneyDragon · 19/10/2012 08:19

When she's possibly had a season?

Not 9 months again Blush

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 19/10/2012 10:00

Is it to do with size? I know that when I had Jas neutered at 6 months the vet was happy to do it as he's a small dog, but said it was preferable to wait for a bigger dog to achieve it's full size before neutering/spaying. Something to do with bones?

Jins · 19/10/2012 10:20

My vet prefers to neuter before the first season if possible because of the reduced risk of mammary tumours (but I think it's to reduce the risk of pregnancy on first heat)

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/10/2012 12:24

Honeydragon - our vet advised us to get ddog1 spayed before her first season, as the benefit that it confers in the reduction in the risk of mammary tumours reduces with each season - you get 75% of the benefit after the first season, 50% after the second, 25% after the third, and none after the fourth and subsequent seasons - or so my vet told me. For that reason alone, we had ddog1 spayed before her first season.

Ddog2 came from the Dogs Trust, and was spayed by them before we rehomed her (I believe it is their policy to spay or neuter all the dogs they rehome). She had already had at least two litters of puppies before being rehomed to a family with young children living in a flat, who couldn't cope with her and her neediness (she is quite a clingy dog - very affectionate but easily unsettled still), and put her in the Dogs Trust.

HoneyDragon · 19/10/2012 12:57

Think ii'I call on Monday and try and find out why they've changed.

SrirachaGhoul · 19/10/2012 19:29

Both my dogs were done before their first season; it's standard here.

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margaretrose · 19/10/2012 23:42

Is awful, do agree. However, also feel v sorry for all the nurses who have to throw away viable babies/foetuses every day, often seeing the same client repeatedly over a year. Why are we so able to grieve for meaningless deaths of animals but not humans? Am not rabidly pro-life at expense of women's sanity and health but have seen first hand how awful it is for staff to see terminations being used as birth control. If it was puppies or kittens there would be an outcry.