to think that sleep regression and the virgin gut are a recent phenomena

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they didn't exist when I had DS1 7 years ago and so I think they can't be true.

It was all one big bloody regression, from birth until about age 3 for all of mine

I can't comment on virgin guts but about the myth of sleep regression: could someone pleeeeeeease tell that to the previously-fantastic-at-night "D"S who will now only sleep on my right shoulder after six verses of The Wheels on the Bus sung in the key of F major?

Thanks Funnys.

Wasn't the 4 month thing just called a growth spurt before?

I'm sure the concept behind the virgin gut was about when I had my ds (now 13).

Aboutlastnight - I don't think BLW was called "finger food", finger food is just a type of food isn't it rather than a way of feeding.

If its a male child is it technically regression as they never grow up...

And is a virgin gut sponsored by Richard Branson?

ha ha About when I weaned DS2 1.5 years ago it was called finger food and not BLW. Mostly because he just ate what he was given and wouldn't be spoon fed. Plus I wasn't purist enough not to give him a spoon

Well you used to just put food on the tray of the high chair and the kid would eat it. We called it 'finger food'

Sometimes you would give them some mashed up food using a spoon!

Never experienced sleep regression with either.

Both slep through from 8 weeks 7 to 7.

Eldest is six and wakes to pee n has nightmares, he currently is more of a pain at night than ever.

Dd 8 mnths

If you sometimes give them finger food and sometimes spoon feed them then it's not BLW though is it, it's just normal weaning

And yes my middle child hated the spoon so used to eat baked beans on by one. Mealtimes took aaaages

Yy blw is just finger food but cooked versions.

I've done a bit of both, depends where we are n what we cooking.

My DD is 7 and I was acutely aware of sleep regressions.

I thought the best thing about these hideous periods was that they did have a name and there was in fact naught to be done about it.

Isn't that the good thing about labelling them sleep regressions - that you know that's what's going on and you don't have to kill yourself trying to 'solve' the problem? That all you can do is wait for it to pass? I found it reassuring anyway.

Christ - it's all weaning!!!!

I think people call it 'sleep regression' to reassure you it's normal so you don't worry about finding a solution.

?? Both terms around when dd (nearly 10) was a baby...yabu. Look at threads on here - every time there's a mum exhaustedly posting that her previously settled baby has started behaving like a newborn again, you can guarantee said baby will be around 4m old...happens too often nit to be a 'thing'.

*not

My DD is at the 18 month sleep regression. As for 18 months she HASN'T FUCKING SLEPT

When I was still bf, I got loads of help off here and Kellymom and started getting into all sorts of conspiracy theories as a result (not discounting the help and support, it was invaluable). However, I have since came to the conclusion that they are just babies, they are all different, what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another and I have no idea how to deal with them

Well my DC's 4 month sleep regression x3 was magically solved by baby rice x3.
I think sleep regression only came into being when not weaning until 6 months became an obsession.
As for Virgin gut- it may be true, but the minute you put formula in it it's not a virgin gut anymore, is it? So I think baby rice is a far less allergenic option once breastfeeding is no longer enough.
I wish people would apply a bit more logic, instead of mindlessly following the latest government advice.

the virgin gut doesn't have a huge amount of evidence to spur out at present mainly due to the fact we aren't allows to go around curing up a whole loss of babies digestive tracts to see what they look like. doesn't mean it's not a child theory and that they may out mayor disprove it at some point.

sleep regression, we had a discussion about this the other day on another thread. the conclusion was it's always been there just that we used to see it as a sign to wean. Now we know waking more often isn't a weaning sign it's been labelled as something else.

my eldest is 13 and i knew about the virgin gut and not weaning till 6mths then! i did my own research/reading and there was plenty of advice about. by the time i had ds2 in 2002 the official advice was not to wean till 6mths.

i also knew about sleep regression, part own experience and part reading. its certainly been true with my 5 (tho not so much ds4) that at certain ages/developmental stages their sleep has regressed.

"My DD is at the 18 month sleep regression. As for 18 months she HASN'T FUCKING SLEPT"

Yup that was my experience too..I see threads about sleep regression and I think regression?? You mean your child was sleeping????

Quite possibly YANBU.

I haven't seen sleep regression at 4 months or at any later time with either DC. At that stage, DD was waking for a feed twice in the night. We started sleep training at 4 months and she slept through after two nights. Since then, she has always slept through, barring the occasional fever, teething, etc. She is now 7. Same story with DS, except that we sleep trained him at 5 months.

but sleep regression always used to be called a growth spurt. You still knew they would get over it, but not that their sleep had regressed, which actually isn't true. Much rather have a spurt than a regression. It's just so negative