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To not want this friend to keep making out my behaviour is as bad as her.

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Raspberryella · 11/10/2012 14:22

I have a friend who I've known for years. Our DCs are friends too. She is lovely and thoughtful in some ways, but in other ways she is quite catty at times and also can be very blunt with people. She also drinks a lot of alcohol.

Quite often when we're chatting she will start making catty comments about mutual friends or other people we both know, such as other parents from the school. 9 times out of 10 I will say to her that it isn't very nice, and other times I will just say nothing and change the subject. If I tell her it isn't very nice she'll say "I know, we're horrible aren't we?" or she'll say catty comments and then say "Ooooh aren't we mean?". I hate bitching ( have had it done about me in the past by a friend and it was horrible), and try not to get involved in that kind of thing. It really annoys me how she tries to justify her behaviour by making out I am the same as her.

Other times, if she's talking about herself/her bad points, she'll again try to lump me in with it and she'll say things like "We're both so rude/upfront/judgemental aren't we?". I usually say that no, I don't consider myself to be any of those things. And again it annoys me how she is justifying her behaviour by telling myself that I am the same.

The third thing is, she drinks a lot of alcohol, and always gets annoyed with me if I won't drink alcohol if I go round to hers. She will try and get me to have a glass of wine and I don't drink in the day, in fact I rarely drink, but she'll go on and on at me and won't take no for an answer and sometimes pour me one anyway. Then she'll say "Aren't we terrible drinking alcohol in the day?"

I feel like I am going to have to keep a distance from this friendship as it seems that she has thicker skin than a rhino. And I really don't want her making out to mutual friends that I've said any of the things that she herself has said about them.

OP posts:
merrymouse · 11/10/2012 15:13

She sounds a bit toxic and also quite controlling. From what you say, she doesn't know you very well so I don't think she can be much of a friend however much time you spend together.

You sound as though she is making you quite unhappy. Plenty of nice non bitchy coffee and tea drinking people around. don't waste your time with her.

newmum001 · 11/10/2012 15:21

MrsMangel i don't know anyone that doesn't make catty coments sometimes. She sounds a little bit like most of my friends and my friends are ace!

The daytime drinking is a bit worrying if it's everyday and i can understand why the op doesn't really want to be friends with her if they're so different but i certainly don't think she sounds like a bad person.

MrsMangelfanciedPaulRobinson · 11/10/2012 15:25

I just hope that you're never on the receiving end of cattyness from people you thought were your friends then newmum. I am certain that if that happened you wouldn't think it was 'ace' behaviour

OwlLady · 11/10/2012 15:26

It doesn't sound you like her very much and she irritates you all the time, just don't see her as much

BupcakesAndHaunting · 11/10/2012 15:33

Bitching about friends is BAD but I maintain that slagging off some other parents from the school helps drain the spleen.

newmum001 · 11/10/2012 15:35

Everyone has been or will be on the recieving end of cattiness at some point. Maybe i'm misunderstanding the seriousness of it but as far as im concearned cattiness isn't that bad, it's a part of life.

evilwem · 11/10/2012 15:45

I hate bitchiness and cattiness. I just don't see the world that way, and it unnerves me when people start doing it around me. I guess that makes me beige.

Kalisi · 11/10/2012 15:56

Newmum and Bupcakes I'm with you! I love a good bitch! infact I'm always a bit wary of people that don't Grin It depends what the nature of the bitching is though. Is it " Oh that person has pissed me off they're awful" Or " they're fat and I'm sure they've got nits lets not talk to them"? because they are two completely different types of bitching. Oh yes, there are categories!

evilwem · 11/10/2012 16:01

Aside from the bitching thing, she sounds like a bully OP, possibly a good idea to keep some distance.

newmum001 · 11/10/2012 16:02

Kalisi thats ecactly how i feel about it. The second example is bullying the first example is something different entirely imo and a fact of life.

marbleslost · 11/10/2012 16:06

Just from the point of view that she may not know that op has these requirements of a friend.

ClippedPhoenix · 11/10/2012 16:11

I have a friend who never drinks and never says a bad word about anyone or anything. I go for coffee with her once a month for about an hour until I'm bored shitless Grin

thebody · 11/10/2012 16:16

You sound like totally different people so not sure why you are friends.

I think most people discuss mutual friends,doesn't have to be negative as can be just if you are worried about them.

But I have actually never ever met anyone in real life who hasn't bitched about someone at sometime.

I love a drink, don't think there's any answer at the bottom of a bottle, it's just relaxing and fun, but I couldn't give a fuck if my friends drink or don't.

You say your friend is fat?? So what?? Don't get that point.

Just see less of her if she irritates you so much, surprised she wants to see you to be honest as you sound like chalk and cheese and come across as a bit smug and judgy!!!

Kalisi · 11/10/2012 16:19

Hang on.... OP are you....Bitching about your friend on MN?!! Shock

thebody · 11/10/2012 16:20

Got to ask bupcakes, why Claire Sweeney?? I mean she's irritating but why her especially??

newmum001 · 11/10/2012 16:25

Kalisi you beat me me to it, that was going to be my next point!

Kalisi · 11/10/2012 16:29

Great Bitches think alike Grin

PickledFanjoCat · 11/10/2012 16:31

I have a friend who is a right old bitch and I just tell her.

Some people are bitchier than others, some people are a bit wicked and funny.

If she is a miserable bitter old thing and being really nasty that's different.

I think the opposite, people who are too sickly sweet make me nervous.

halloweeneyqueeney · 11/10/2012 16:36

I have a friend who does this with me, in my case she says it about spending/shopping (but I'm talking about SERIOUS spending - maxing credit cards in luxury shops in one go)

she says that "we" do it, and says it to friends who are hard up too, problem is if you object it just makes you look more guilty IYKWIM

People believe her! we don't have that many aquaintances/friends in common any more as she moved away so it doesn't matter so much now, but when we did it was awkward and friends from then still think I buy 2K designer handbags on credit etc, when in fact I mostly live in a combo of bootsale/charity shop and H&M and can think of nothing LESS fun than spending 2K on one item

so I guess my point is, if you don't want people to believe this you do need to distance from her, challenging it makes you look like you have something to hide in my experience

merrymouse · 11/10/2012 16:50

I don't think this is really about the rights and wrongs of bitching. The op's 'friend' is clearly oblivious to the fact that the op finds her bitching depressing and negative, isn't worried about her weight and doesn't like daytime drinking that much. Each to their own, but it's nice if your friends take an interest in you as a separate human being with opinions, feelings and a personality.

I have no way of knowing how much this person drinks. However, using another person to enable drinking ("i dont have a problem if I drink in company") is classic alcoholic behaviour.

BupcakesAndHaunting · 11/10/2012 17:07

Why Claire Sweeney?

Why NOT Claire Sweeney?!

  • Horse chops
  • Mouth like a splayed cow's minge
  • That fucking Fashion Direct advert she does. She has her own fashion range, apparently. I'm sure that it is very beautiful and not all made of polyester chiffon and elastane.
  • She's one of those annoying "showbiz" types ain't she? I bet she has got a sateen piano key print duvet cover.
SoupDragon · 11/10/2012 17:10

I hate bitching

So what are you doing in your OP?

Laquitar · 11/10/2012 17:19

Apart from the bitching friends who keep doing the 'we' thing are manipulative, insecure and controlling. I had a 'friend' like this, nasty and manipulative. Get rid of her OP.

halloweeneyqueeney · 11/10/2012 17:20

that's the problem soupdragon, if the OP defends herself to mutual friends/aquaintances, she makes herself look worse because she can't really defened herself without effectively bitching about the friend

its an uncomfortable postion to be in, I don't think anything other than distance and a dignified silence about the whole thing can work

MorrisZapp · 11/10/2012 17:51

My ex looked in the mirror one day, slapped his gut a la Homer Simpson, and said 'christ Morris, we're a pair of fat bastards, eh?'.

Speak for yourself, mate.