to have a growing respect for Ed Milliband ...

[SammyTheSwedishSquirrel]

even though he looks like Frank the tortoise?

Ed? Is that you?

He's starting to grow on me. If he's serious about repealing the Health and Social Care Bill, he'll get my vote.

I was telling DP that Ed is growing on me. He seems to be quite passionate, he's not great a public speaking though.

Oh tell me why?

I'm a labour voter generally ignore last election and I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for him but I'm desperate to get back to labour.

Although I don't think its tortoise its more that his mouth's got the hump with the rest of his face, in particular his nose.

No good at speeches?!

Cameron can't do it for 70 mins with no aids and without stopping?!

I'm actually feeling a bit disturbed by this change I'm experiencing. I heard him talk yesterday and thought he sounded sincere. SINCERE? You can't use that word in a sentence about a politician.

Ruby, it's definately Frank the tortoise and I've just discovered I'm not the only one who thinks so :o

They only sound sincere when they're telling particularly big lies. They're over-compensating for their own awareness that they are spouting utter bullshit.

If you start being convinced you know its not true.

Ah I see, I wasn't aware of Frank the tortoise i thought just meant a tortoise.

That's true. I also found myself believing Cleggy and look how that turned out.

Yes but Tony Blair was a master of sincerity and our troops are still dying because of it.

I don't really trust most of the politicians on both sides as too many of them are career politicians with little experience of the real world - the Millibands included. Yes he went to a Comprehensive school etc but he lived in a large house in an exclusive area of London surrounded by people involved in politics. I'm not sure that he is much more in touch with the real world than DC and Co.

I think he looks like one of the muppets- gonzo maybe. For that reason alone I can't listen to him intently.

He also went to primary school with boris so he has hardly come from a deprived back ground.

Sheesh, one good speech (in which Milliband proved that he finally has sorted out his mispoken speech, did he have a lisp before or what??), and he's now the bee's knees.

Still think it's Cameron's to lose.

I liked his ABC thing today when talking about blame - Anybody But Cameron.

Cameron has one of those faces you just want to sort of - punch - just for being there.

I think he's worse than ever now. Can't see he's any better than Cameron. He really irritates me with his shiny Persil white grin. Maybe it's time I went to bed.

Also personally the thing with his brother, makes me very about him.

I'm of the opinion he, like all the others is just a privileged little megalomaniac career politician going into the family business (from what I understand his parents were very political) out of his incapability to do anything else.

I doubt he is driven by change or altruism.

Their father's story is impressive but I question how much influence he had on their thinking and how much is their own original thought...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Miliband

So is their mother's Chaz. She's well known as a human rights campaigner. Herself being a survivor of the holocaust, having been hidden in a Catholic convent in Poland.

Listen very carefully to what he is saying now because, if he gets elected, you won't hear him say it again. They never do.

To me Cameron and Milliband are both equal puppets of their upbringing.