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to want to "have a word" with DT teacher

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fait · 27/09/2012 21:48

My year 7 DS is colour blind. He is useless at colouring things and even worse being creative with his hands. He has done DT for 4 years at his previous school and is keen, but totally useless - no matter how hard he tries.

For homework he created a poster which I had to print out. I was in a hurry and it printed out slightly to one side. He got a 4C (in a range from 3c to 7a) because it was not centred.

He then tried to create a design for a spoon. He tried really hard, but it looked like a 3 year old had done it. He got 4C for that as well. And told he had not used enough colour.

Today he was given detention because he had not done the above properly. I am happy with the concept of detention when it is deserved. However (there is always a however), the lesson finished at 1.30pm and then it was lunch time for an hour. His detention was approx half an hour which should have given him half an hour to get his lunch. But, because his first lesson after lunch was hockey, he had to walk down to the hockey pitches at 2pm. With over 1000 children at the school trying to get their lunch at 1.30pm, he ended up having absolutely NOTHING for lunch today, otherwise he would have been late for the hockey lesson.

I am furious with the DT teacher. Firstly because he is picking on a child that is clearly totally useless at DT - it is NOT that he is not trying - he is just cack handed when it comes to anything creative. Secondly, he is the teacher, and he should be responsible for finding out if a detention is likely to stop an 11 year old child from having food at lunch time. Thirdly, there was no warning for the detention - he just decided that the table of children who had not drawn a coloured line around their poster were to be kept in for half an hour.

I don't know what to do. My instinct is to send a snotty email to the school. But then, presumably, I will be told my son was to blame. I actually do not care. I expect my DS to be allowed to get lunch EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. It is not up to a teacher to decide whether my DS should or should not be allowed to eat. However, I don't want to make things worse for my son. So I suppose I will just have to leave it.

I am keeping the pieces of work that have been marked and will be taking them to the school parents' evening to discuss as I do not believe that being discouraged in the first two weeks of senior school is conducive to my DS improving. I cannot stress enough how untalented he is with pen and pencil. He is pretty creative in his head, and does have good ideas, but cannot put them down as a design.

Oh well - whaddya think?

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fait · 28/09/2012 16:13

Swanthing - I know what you mean. We bought him a new laptop for his birthday in August, and I also purchased the student MS Office - just as well I did!

I shall try your approach and see if that may work. The trouble is, he always seems very confident, but does worry about looking stupid in front of the other children.

Harvest - they do not go down unsupervised! And they do all go down together - But the teacher is not standing next to them all the time. All the children live in the town, and mine makes his way around town unsupervised pretty much every day of the week. Once they are in senior school they are expected to be more responsible.

Because it is known that the children have to walk to hockey, that is one of the reasons I was surprised that the DT teacher kept him in.

Btw - he did his "community service" detention for not using the crossing today - hanging up the wet kit from the rugby team!

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Merrin · 28/09/2012 17:04

I would talk to the teacher at parents evening about it, assuming that is that your school has a parents evening early in the term for Y7.

noblegiraffe · 28/09/2012 17:07

You're actually surprised that a DT teacher didn't know the timetable, in particular PE timetable of a random student? Confused

An unfortunate series of events led to your DS not having lunch. He didn't die of starvation, and next time he will know to mention to a teacher if he gets a detention on hockey day that he really needs some time to buy his lunch. And as others mentioned, make sure he always has a snack on him for emergencies.

fait · 28/09/2012 17:19

Yes, giraffe, I WAS surprised. The school makes SUCH a big deal about how they take care of the year sevens for the first 3 weeks, I had assumed that if a child was given a lunch time detention, they would be aware of potential repercussions.

Buying lunch is done with prepaid thumbprint technology - and they (fortunately) have a limit on what they can spend. So not really feasible for another child to get the lunch on his behalf.

I gave him a snack today - which he ate on the way to school, followed by a bacon roll, a doughnut, a gino meal at lunch time and a piece of victoria sandwich. Clearly making up for yesterday's "starvation" ...

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noblegiraffe · 28/09/2012 18:11

Trust me, a DT teacher has far more important things to worry about than when Y7 have hockey. I would expect the student to mention a lunchtime commitment if it was an issue.

BoneyBackJefferson · 28/09/2012 18:23

Maybe next time the teacher should just give him and after school detention instead?

YokoUhOh · 28/09/2012 18:33

I barely ate lunch during 5 years at secondary school due to being expected to be at music rehearsals. It annoys me when my students prioritise lunch over my rehearsals, especially as I don't get to have lunch and I'm 33 weeks pregnant!

fait · 28/09/2012 18:48

How many times do I have to say, my son is NOT making a fuss about missing lunch. It is ME making a fuss about it. He would give up lunch to play hockey every day if that was the choice.

And Yoko - there is nothing clever about not eating properly when you are 33 weeks pregnant. Just because you clearly have poor eating habits, does not mean anyone else should! What a very peculiar sentiment to express! A teacher saying that she doesn't see why her students need to have lunch. Mmmmm.

Boney - an after school detention would work just fine for me - he finishes at 3.30pm and I work full time, so it matters not to me what time he comes back from school providing I know where he is!

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cricketballs · 28/09/2012 18:54

Are you forgetting that the teacher gave up his lunch time do supervise the detention, we don't do this lightly so it must have been warranted. I haven't worked in a school yet that doesn't issue warnings before a detention is issued, so are you sure op that your Ds is being completely honest?

BoneyBackJefferson · 28/09/2012 18:55

fait

maybe that is the answer then, contact the school get them to email all of the teachers and have it put in his notes.
I suspect that everything will be fine until he misses his first school hockey match.

fait · 28/09/2012 18:59

Boney - what on earth are you talking about?

Cricketballs - I am sure the teacher got something to eat, so he will be fine. I am positive my son is being completely honest (on this occasion). I promise you the threat of me going into school is enough to make him confess to anything. I must add, I have never been into any school apart from parent evening and school performances.

Why is it impossible for some people on here to accept that teachers are just normal human beings. They are not all perfect and some are definitely not as good as others when dealing with children.

My ex bil was a teacher. His best friend was a PE teacher. A more disgusting excuse for a human being I have yet to meet.

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YokoUhOh · 28/09/2012 19:03

Sorry, I expressed myself poorly - I'm just trying to keep my department running smoothly before I go off on maternity leave and get stressed when things are poorly attended. I spend my life having to miss lunch in order to keep my head above water with extra-curricular activities. It sounds like your son is doing really well and I wouldn't worry about the DT teacher, these things have a habit of settling down after a few weeks.

solittletimeandsomuchtodo · 28/09/2012 19:04

Can you not make him a sandwich to eat on days he walks to hockey, might take the stress out of those lunchtimes Grin

Angry'only d t'Angry seriously!

fait · 28/09/2012 19:05

Yoko - apologies for biting. I know the frustrations when people insist on stopping for lunch when there are things to be done. But please don't stop eating at 33 weeks - you need to do things properly!!!

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BoneyBackJefferson · 28/09/2012 19:05

sorry fait its been a long day and I am project just a tiny tiny bit. Blush
gonna turn off the pc and have lots of wine instead.

YokoUhOh · 28/09/2012 19:06

And I wasn't saying that I choose not to eat lunch - I'm trying to do the best I can for my students, who are all fantastic, and it means that I don't have time for lunch. Of course my students should eat regularly and sensibly.

fait · 28/09/2012 19:06

How long has DT been around for?

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YokoUhOh · 28/09/2012 19:07

Thanks fait, like I said, I'm sure it will sort itself out given a couple of weeks :)

fait · 28/09/2012 19:07

Wine - excellent idea. In moderation. Of course.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 28/09/2012 19:09

DT as a subject since 1988
before that it was CDT
before that
Woodwork
Metalwork
Technical drawing
HE etc.

But am really off now :)

fait · 28/09/2012 19:12

Hmm. I went to a convent school and the nuns didn't teach any of those subjects! We did have a lady that came in once a month to teach sewing - she taught us how to thread a sewing machine, but by the time she came the following month, we had forgotten, so spent the lesson learning how to thread it again ...

I will buy some of those bendy pattern things and hopefully that will help him create something on paper that is less offensive to the DT teacher!

THanks to all for your input Grin

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LynetteScavo · 28/09/2012 19:18

Ha, YANBU!

4C at the begining of Y7 should not result in a detention. That is ludicrous. The school (and I'm talking every member of staff of work with your DC) should know your DCs strengths and weaknesses. If they obviously don't you, need to alert them.

Also, he should not miss lunch. If my DC missed lunch, I would be straight on to the head of year who (I'm pretty sure) would make sure it never happened again.

My DS did once miss the bus home, and I had to collect him. But it was because he had been disruptive during the lesson. And the school looked after him very well when he told them he had missed the bus. Which is the only reason I didn't kick up a stink.

My DSs school has an excellent reputation for pastoral care, though.

zipzap · 29/09/2012 01:11

I would talk to the dt teacher and put it to him as a challenge - say that he is colour blind and that he can't tell colours apart so to get an undertaking from him that your ds will not be penalised for any colour 'mistakes' and see if he is able to suggest any strategies that could help your son that won't involve your ds feeling singled out or embarrassed in front of the rest of his class (I can see it might feel embarrassing to have to ask your friend's what colour pen you are using every time and is also not much help in exams when you have to be silent)

I would also say to him that he has problems drawing neatly etc and see if he can do any tests on him to see if he has the equivalent of dyslexia in drawing (dysgraphia? Sorry, long time ago that I did it in college) and to see if he can give him some practical extra help to get him up to the right standard or at least realise that if he gets a 4c then that's good for him and that he is aiming for a 4b rather than a 5 (sorry, not used to work graded like this, was all ABC in my day or % for exams! Hope I have used it correctly.)

And hope I haven't cross posted with anyone - just realised I started to write this a couple of hours or more ago but got distracted by the dc but am on phone so don't want to refresh to check the page now and lose everything Blush

zipzap · 29/09/2012 01:50

I would talk to the dt teacher and put it to him as a challenge - say that he is colour blind and that he can't tell colours apart so to get an undertaking from him that your ds will not be penalised for any colour 'mistakes' and see if he is able to suggest any strategies that could help your son that won't involve your ds feeling singled out or embarrassed in front of the rest of his class (I can see it might feel embarrassing to have to ask your friend's what colour pen you are using every time and is also not much help in exams when you have to be silent)

I would also say to him that he has problems drawing neatly etc and see if he can do any tests on him to see if he has the equivalent of dyslexia in drawing (dysgraphia? Sorry, long time ago that I did it in college) and to see if he can give him some practical extra help to get him up to the right standard or at least realise that if he gets a 4c then that's good for him and that he is aiming for a 4b rather than a 5 (sorry, not used to work graded like this, was all ABC in my day or % for exams! Hope I have used it correctly.)

And hope I haven't cross posted with anyone - just realised I started to write this a couple of hours or more ago but got distracted by the dc but am on phone so don't want to refresh to check the page now and lose everything Blush

orangeandlemons · 29/09/2012 08:42

Why did the border have to be a certain colour anyway? Unless it was for H&S reasons?