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Just found out my 11 YO is texting with a person she met on a dating website

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AgentZigzag · 22/09/2012 23:04

I want to start out by saying I take full responsibility for not checking her phone and seeing this earlier, I thought we had a sensible and responsible daughter and I've allowed myself to be misled by that thought.

She left her hotmail account open on my computer about a two hours ago, and I had a nose through her in and out box and found a change of password email from this teenage dating website. (it's always been made very clear to her that I could and would look through her electronic communications and history, although this was said a while ago)

I went to the site and found she had a fucking profile on there! And messages to and from other 'people'.

But there's one specific profile who she's contacted more, he's given her his phone number, and I presume she's given him hers, because we've just looked on her phone and they've been fucking texting each other!

In her email account she's sent him photos, of some drawings etc, but things that are obviously from a child.

He's sent her a photo of himself (which she thought she'd deleted, but I managed to get it back).

On the texts, and there are a fuck of a lot of them -

-She's told him she's 13

-Lots of talking about wanking and masturbating (even after she's told him she's 13) - which she asked me about yesterday because she didn't know what it meant, and you can see from the texts she's got no idea WTF he's talking about.

-She's tried ringing him tonight Shock she's text up to 10 to 1 at night, and from 7 in the morning.

-She's been texting him all day today - when we've been there with her!

-He's actually messaging her NOW!

I'm holding DH back from texting him to say something, because I need some advice. DH is talking about the police (if there are any of the MN bobbies I know use MN, is this that serious do you think? Is it exaggerating thinking this is a 'man' grooming what he knows to be an underage child?)

I really do feel ashamed we haven't protected her from this. We're so aware of shit like this, we honestly are, and when they're 9/10/11 YO everything seems so open and you've told them the rules and think they understand.

We got the phone for her on a contract two weeks ago because her old one broke in the summer holidays and we wanted her to be able have an OK one for secondary school (which she's just started doing the 35 minute walk to and from every day).

I'm angry for letting myself trust her and her breaking it, and for not checking her phone sooner. I don't know where to go from here. Obviously she's not got the phone and I'm looking through her email accounts (she's got two, but I can't get into one).

And what should we do about this 'bloke/man/teenager' who's texting her stuff now? Ignore him, block him?

FFS, I'm just reeling, please tell us what you think.

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GoldenSeptember · 01/10/2012 13:32

Any news Agent? Hope your DD is ok at school and not been too traumatised by all this. Did you get any feedback from CEOP or the police about this man/boy?

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AgentZigzag · 03/10/2012 01:04

Nothing as yet, thanks for asking.

I've been in touch with an organisation called 'Stop it Now!' to ask them what they made of the 'complaint' thing the detective said, and they reckoned it was because I was referred to the police through CEOP that I'd have to make it 'formal' which would involve giving statements etc. We'll just hang off deciding until the last minute I think.

The school was excellent as well, took the names of the girls, had a word with the two worst ones, and gave DD somewhere to go (computer room, science club) in the breaks where she didn't have anyone to kick about with. They called me back within 2/3 hours saying they'd done this and said get back to them if anything else crops up

She's much happier (and so am I) and finding new people who didn't go to her primary Smile

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MrsHerculePoirot · 03/10/2012 06:53

Brilliant news Agent - glad your DD is feeling happier at school.

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ShellyBobbs · 03/10/2012 13:13

Brilliant :)

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GoldenSeptember · 04/10/2012 00:06

Good news Agent. Hope your DD can put this behind her now.

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PinkFairyDust · 04/10/2012 00:13

Is there a link which is good for pre teen children which they can watch and be able to understand?

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MrsHerculePoirot · 04/10/2012 07:49

If you read back through the thread, much earlier on I posted lots of links for parents and their children. There isn't one resource which will cover everything...

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InterpretativeRepertoires · 20/10/2012 21:36

Hi Agent
Would you be able to give an update of what's happened in the last couple of weeks?
How is your DD doing?

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AgentZigzag · 20/10/2012 22:38

Hello there Interpretive Smile

Well DD hasn't come back from school unhappy since they sorted it, and it was a daily thing for a couple of weeks Smile Smile

She seems to have broken the cycle and got a new routine with new people going. There is a bit of flack about her crap phone Grin but she just shrugs it off because they don't know the reason why she has it.

We do mention what went on, but mostly as reminders of different internet safety stuff when it comes up naturally.

DH emailed detective bloke earlier on today to check it was OK for us to transfer all the contract entitlements on her phone to a new SIM card (they wouldn't let us suspend the service while it's with the police - wankers) or whether they'd still need to be able to use it.

So maybe he'll tell us more when he emails back?

I know I've said it already, but really, thank you to everyone who took the time to post Thanks We would have had shit loads more stress trying to take those decisions on our own.

So although we don't know how it's going to end yet, it could have turned out very differently if you lovely vipers weren't there Smile

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AgentZigzag · 20/10/2012 22:41

The phone company are wankers, not the police Grin

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Gymbob · 20/10/2012 23:38

Agent - we are going through exactly the same thing now. CID have DD2's phone, and even with a crime number the phone company (who I am dying to name - is it the same one as you Agent?) will not end the contract. I have even had to pay £5 for a new sim card, and when it came it is not compatible with the crappy phone we have given her to manage with, so we can't use it.

I am totally disgusted with the phone company, that even when the police have the phone and suspect grooming, they will not end the contract for the safety of the child. Wankers is the word I would use to describe them perfectly Agent.

DD2 still insists that the 'boy' she was texting was genuine. Agent - does your DD fully understand what has happened and the implications?

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LadyMaryCreepyCrawley · 20/10/2012 23:40

I've been wondering how things are, thank you for continuing to post.

WasLadysybil.

You need to contact Ceops, gymbob.

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AgentZigzag · 21/10/2012 00:46

It's Tesco mobiles £10 a month tariff Gymbob.

When DH asked the detective about suspending DDs phone contract, I initially thought he was being cheeky Grin but the detective assured us it was a pretty standard thing to do, and offenders do it when the police are holding their phones. He said straight away just give them his email and get them to contact him to confirm they're holding it as evidence.

We're getting a Tesco PAYG SIM card and they're going to transfer the contract rights to that, which I'm going to have and use because it's a better deal than mine.

DH was getting very 'frustrated' with them earlier Grin

That the people on the other end of the internet could well be hairy handed truckers wasn't a new thing to DD, I've always talked to her about it. I think she understands it was an illusion and wasn't giving her the friendship she thought they had, she was looking for an understanding voice on the outside and found it partly in them.

You can be there to talk to and approachable 24/7, but that's no guarantee they'll choose to come to you with what's worrying them.

Maybe I'm trying to make myself feel better thinking that?

How long ago did it happen to your DD? Is it something she thinks about regularly still? It must worry you she refuses to believe there's a possibility they might not have been genuine. But for her to do that might be very painful, like a betrayal of how she read the situation?

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ChippingInLovesAutumn · 21/10/2012 00:56

Agent - sorry I wasn't around when you were going through the start of this (RL getting in the way!), it has been a bloody nightmare for you :(

I hope it doesn't drag on too long & that it's sorted to your satisfaction in the end.

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AgentZigzag · 21/10/2012 01:47

Thanks Chipping, and LadyS, bloody RL, don't talk to me about RL Grin

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ChippingInLovesAutumn · 21/10/2012 02:23

Agent - of course you can be there 24/7, be the worlds best parent and they wont aways come to you. Your DD did, she was just a bit 'round the houses' about it. No matter how calm you normally are, they still worry they'll get into trouble &/or don't really know what they want you to do or what to say... she's only young really, no matter how 'grown up' she's trying to be or how tall she is (they all seem to be so TALL these days!). Yes she was a bit silly (and should have known better etc) but either she's been 'led astray' by a young lad OR been being groomed by an eadult - either way, she has ended up in a situation where she needed help and she came to you for that help.

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Gymbob · 21/10/2012 08:39

It all kicked off in June for us. The phone co refuse to end the contract. The police phoned and asked them to end it, and they won't and I am disgusted that given the circumstances they still refuse.

She refused point blank to consider the fact that the '14 year old boy' wasn't genuine, which was a big factor in her not being allowed continued access to the internet, either via the home PC or mobile. Other professional bodies were are involved too, I can't go into detail here, but I could pm you agent. Our situation is not straight forward.

Recently she has said she now has changed her mind, and she says we were right, and she was wrong. I don't actually believe her, I know she is desperate for her phone back (she has a cheap crappy PAYG with no internet at the mo), so I think she is just telling us when we want to hear.

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ShiftyFades · 21/10/2012 09:16

Morning Zigzag,
Found this thread last night, couldn't believe I'd missed it and then I looked at the dates: we were on holiday with no Internet access Sad
I've read the entire thread. Won't go over old ground, just want to add my support. I did know about ceop and what they do (even looked at joining them when they were first created).
I hope you hear some news about the case soon.
Sending you {{hugs}} xxx

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AgentZigzag · 21/10/2012 13:06

She'd built it up in her head Chipping and thought we'd go spare, which of course we did to start with, my face was a halloween version of Shock as I was processing what she'd done. But it calmed down relatively quickly (compared to my first thought of not letting her have a phone until she leaves home Grin).

Depending on how you found out Gymbob, I think DD might have accepted it was not as it seemed because she was already feeling uncomfortable at the sexual content of the texts and was having difficulty stopping the texts. If I'd have found out before that point she could have been more resistant to the idea that the person was getting something sinister from the contact? She'd already found out for herself, so our reaction just backed that up. (I would PM you but something's broken on MN and my bookmarks, preview and message poster buttons aren't working, other people are having trouble too so I'll check it later Smile)

Hope you had a great holiday Shifty Smile

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ShiftyFades · 21/10/2012 15:09

It was good family fun but not fabulous... Isle of Wight!! Grin

Glad things have calmed down xxx

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pineapplecrush · 21/10/2012 18:34

I'm still reeling too. I got access to my 14 year old daughter's inbox on her facebook account last night (I know, but so glad I did and never seen it before).
She's been receiving and sending messages from a boy of 17/18 who she knows through a former friend. I'd heard he'd had a difficult childhood and his Mum died a couple of years ago and I also heard he'd threatened to kill himself. I know my daughter felt very sorry for him. However, he's been asking her to send topless pictures of herself and sent a photo of himself naked and it's obvious he's just masturbated. What comes across in the messages is my daughter's caring nature and her compassion for someone in need. What also comes across is she's way out of her depth. The communication seems to have stopped in January 2012 and, as far, as I know, she doesn't see him in person.
Pretty certain about that. I talked to her Dad (didn't go into too much detail) and we agreed I should talk to her soon but don't know whether to make it a general discussion or admit what I've seen. My daughter and her friends have had such an upsetting and emotional year as well - a boy in her year killed himself a year ago and its been devastating. She was close to him but doesn't want to talk about it with me. I don't know how to handle this.

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pineapplecrush · 21/10/2012 18:44

Apologies for gatecrashing the OP with my post. Should have maybe made it another thread completely - don't know - it's my first post?

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AgentZigzag · 21/10/2012 19:03

Not gatecrashing at all pineapple! Smile But you could start a thread about it to get advice from more posters, usually they ask questions about stuff you hadn't even thought relevant before posting.

It's not a very nice thing to find, if it were me I'd probably not mention anything to her because it looks to have ended such a long time ago, especially if you know she doesn't want to talk about it anyway.

Plus it'd give her the heads up you were keeping your eye on her facebook account Wink

Could you just go through the internet safety stuff (emphasising not sending naked pictures - do you think she sent one to him?) in a general way and not linked to this lad at all? If you don't think she'll take any notice of a run through of them all at once, perhaps you could bring them up singly at different times?

14 is a difficult age though isn't it? Lots of sympathy for that in itself Grin

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pineapplecrush · 21/10/2012 21:32

Thanks Agent Zig Zag. Brought up a few things with her tonight as we're having a relaxed night in on our own and no school tomorrow. Discussed some of her friends' issues, 3/4 sleep with their boyfriends (three or four I mean, not three
quarters!) and how she feels about that (wants to wait quite a bit thankfully).
Also mentioned how she can't always make things right for everyone unfortunately. Talked about friend who killed himself quite a bit - as it's coming up to the anniversary. Will get to internet safety as well, this week when we have more time. Don't think she sent any topless pictures to the boy, by the
way the conversations were going as he kept asking her. Decided not to tell her what I saw on Facebook - she'll be mortified. Would be something we'd both remember in years to come. I want her to trust me not to spy on her but must say, been a proper eye opener for me - think I was a bit naive before so glad I
saw what I saw, upsetting as it was.

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AgentZigzag · 21/10/2012 23:53

I know a few people who've chosen to take their own lives, and it was difficult enough dealing with it in my 20's, so for a 14 YO it must shake your foundations.

Sorry, I've re-read your other post and realised I mistakenly thought it was the lad over the internet she didn't want to talk to you about, rather than the one who'd committed suicide. So her opening up about how she feels about that to you now might be a good sign?

At 14 I would say it's on the right side of the fine line between protecting your DC for their own good, and spying on them and invading their privacy.

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