James Bond and Pussy Galore - is this rape?

[THEMardy]

Well we all know that James Bond used to be a misogynistic dinosaur, but I saw this clip recently and was shocked. She clearly rejects him and is pushing him away as he forces himself onto her.

Disclaimer: Yes, I know it's old and fiction before someone tells me to lighten up.

::runs for cover::

I read one of the books, and I remember mention of a method of controlling a drunken woman was to grab hold of her bottom lip, with your thumb in her mouth and twist

Squeaky
why would you say no when you mean yes?

On the same subject, has anyone seen The Quiet Man with John Wayne? I saw it recently on tv and was shocked by a scene when he physically drags Maureen O'Hara across a field and is very rough with her. Someone also offers him a stick to beat her with! Of course in the 1950's this would be seem normal.

Maybe in the future our dc's will have similar comments on films of today where we may treat women with respect, but at the same time expect them to be semi naked most of the time.

Good gracious!! They are just daft films of a certain age.

Play fighting before sex is a rite good turn on. She isn't exactly screaming and kicking him off is she?

Oh this isn't going to end well....

At some point we will discuss that women feel they can't report a rape as they didn't "scream and kick him off", and she flirted......

I don't get why people like Bond movies. He acts really terrible towards women.
Pussy Galore, what a name. And she was a lesbian, wasn't she?

Can't take bond seriously really..

I dont think it has ever been meant to be taken seriously though.

You saw a lot of that sort of thing in movies made in the 50s, 60s. 70s...the leading men slapping the woman around, the woman seemingly aroused by it, the woman resisting at first and then overcome with desire as she finally relents.

Pretty standard stuff for that era. I hate Bond fillms but I doubt the Daniel Craig Bond does that

I think there'd be a lot of films that have 'rape' scenes back to the 1930s, as seen from 21st century eyes.
How about the scene with Rhett and Scarlett in Gone with the Wind.

Yes the filmmakers got away with that sort of stuff back then.

These days, they get away with making torture porn movies instead.
And romantic adventure movies for girls about stalkers. (Twillight)

Cringed all the way through that. It's not rape, as the video describes the scene:

"Playful fight leads Bond into seducing Pussy Galore".

It's a playful fight, and she's smiling throughout.

I love Bond and am looking forward to Skyfall but yes the old movies and especially this instance is very dated and very dodgy as we all know women just needed to be kissed forcefully into submission. Commented on this on Bond board where 99.9 of the posters are male and even most of them could see how ridiculous BOnd's treatment and power over women was but was more a sign of the times.

Some of Clint Eastwoods movies were far more violent eyebrow raising in this regard.

In the summer, we were at a tourist fair and there were shetland ponies for children to ride. My DC got all excited and said they wanted to ride one. But as we got closer to the animals, they got more and more reticent.

The guy running the stand had the ponies ready to go and so I said, smiling, "so sorry, they said they wanted a ride but now they they're saying they don't"

And he replied,"typical, that's what all women say" in a very surly fashion.

I was aghast.

I hate the scene in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves where the attempted rape of 'Maid Marion' (for that is what it was) was played as comedy and the film got a PG rating.

I don't think you can judge it by today's standards and views.

I used to love the old Jilly Cooper novels (pre Riders - there was a collection of books written in the 60s/70s and no I'm not that old, they were my mum's!) but often there was scenes of husband's forcing themselves on their wives or slapping them round the face - and generally mentally, physically and emotionally abusing them. But it was all supposed to be terribly romantic.

"A friend of mine watched every Bond movie, back to back once, and counted incidents of sexual assault.

I can't remember the exact number but every movie up until the modern ones has at least one sexual assault in it."

the act of watching 22 films back to back must have made her her confused because there is no sexual assault in the first movie so....

"I don't get why people like Bond movies. He acts really terrible towards women."

yeah but he also saves the world on multiple occasions, so you know its swings and roundabouts

Trouble is, this isn't ancient history. Many of our mothers were brought up/ becoming sexually active during the 50's 60's and 70's. They never gave us the message loud and clear that no means no, that women can be active enthusiastic participants in sex without being manipulators/whores, because that wasn't the message they were getting themselves.

Rape? Really?

WTAF?

YABU -he is meant to be seducing her not raping her ffs. Rape wasn't like in that era notwithstanding marital rape laws that don't apply to this film.

wasn't LEGAL*

In one film (Goldfinger), he blackmails the nurse into sex on the basis that she would lose her job if the bosses found out that the electric massage machine had gone bonkers (it had been set by Oddjob, not her).

Nice, eh?