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To think that pelvic floor exercises are not the complete answer

39 replies

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 20:58

to stress incontinence?

TMI alert

I have an excellent pelvic floor. I have been doing the exercises religiously for 15 or more years and, trust me, its awesome Grin

But I still get stress incontinence. I can't sneeze more than three times in a row and I wont get on the trampoline.

I have two DC and both were natural births with no tearing or stitches. Come to think of it I had stress incontinence long before I ever got pregnant which is why I have been doing the darn exercises for so ruddy long.

So please does anyone have any better ideas?

OP posts:
Iggly · 18/09/2012 21:00

Have you been taught how to do them? It's not just a case of clench, release, clench, release Grin

arthurfowlersallotment · 18/09/2012 21:02

Take the lift up to the tenth floor and hold it for five seconds. Stop at every floor on the way down.

you'll be able to open beer bottles

SarahStratton · 18/09/2012 21:05

I too always thought I had an excellent pelvic floor. Nearly 15 years after my last pregnancy, I still do my exercise.

I peed all over the bathroom floor last night, whilst having a jolly good whoop. I'm going to get myself one of those kegel thingymabobs.

:(

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 21:18

I CAN open beer bottles! OK maybe not but I really am doing them correctly my husband absolutly loves them Grin

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cbeebiesinducedcoma · 18/09/2012 21:29

Sorry to derail but how do you know if you are doing them right?

I am always worried.

arthurfowlersallotment · 18/09/2012 21:29

I'm sorry OP, but I now imagine you in a ping pong show.

Blush
echt · 18/09/2012 21:37

OP - Have you been diagnosed correctly? For 15 years I dutifully did the exercises you describe for my recurring incontinence. They didn't work, and eventually made it worse.

I went for more therapy, was given a new diagnosis which entailed relaxing, not clenching. Voila. Dry in 8 days. Still do the exercise to keep in shape.

Have not tried a trampoline but can sneeze freely.:o

Joygirl78 · 18/09/2012 21:38

Recent sports science studies and advice has moved on - it's not just about pelvic floor muscles, but about others muscles too. My post natal exercise instructor had recent training on it. See this article: breakingmuscle.com/womens-fitness/stop-doing-kegels-real-pelvic-floor-advice-women-and-men

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 21:41

Grin all I can say at this point is that he is not getting a visual demonstration Wink

cbeebies arthur has explained it quite well, I think

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mum4041 · 18/09/2012 21:46

Maybe get checked out? There are many reasons for incontinence. No amount of pelvic floor exercises would have solved mine.

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 21:53

Joygirl great article! thank you so much. It makes practical biomechanical sense.

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Shenanagins · 18/09/2012 21:53

You could go to the dr as a little op can sometimes help.

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 22:00

No, I have enough medical knowledge to know that I have simple, not very severe, stress incontinence. But thanks for the advice.

I was simply wondering if I am the only one who is not getting results from doing the kagels.

OP posts:
SarahStratton · 18/09/2012 22:00

I'm going to start squatting.

Blipbipbeep · 18/09/2012 22:01

me too :)

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WorraLiberty · 18/09/2012 22:10

Sarah I don't see how not paying your rent will help?

Grin Spose you could save for some gym equipment...

arthurfowlersallotment · 18/09/2012 22:13

Fucking hell Worra, you just made me guffaw :o

arthurfowlersallotment · 18/09/2012 22:13

And I didn't leak

WorraLiberty · 18/09/2012 22:15

Crosses legs Grin

MarysBeard · 18/09/2012 22:15

No, pf exercises are not the only answer, it's a good idea to have a strong core generally - back, stomach muscles & pelvic platform. If you want to avoid back problems etc.

McHappyPants2012 · 18/09/2012 22:16

I got some wah wah balls, i wasn't doing the exercises right

aldiwhore · 18/09/2012 22:16

Blipblip I used to be terrible pre-children, two kids and paranoia of being worse made me extra vigilant about doing my PFEs and I can now giggle, sneeze, cough and bounce on the trampoline!! I can't say for certain that its the PFEs alone that made an improvement, but I think they did.

Although I should add that I did them constantly!!

Perhaps its just one of those blardy things that just is.

Tuttutitlookslikerain · 18/09/2012 22:16

I read SarahStratton's pissy PJ (sorry Sarah) thread this morning whilst waiting for the GP to answer the phone about DS1's cough.

After the appointment, where the GP decided to treat him as having whooping cough, I have spent all day researching pelvic floor exercises and pelvic floor toners just in case because I really can't be dong with having pissy PJ's.

MarysBeard · 18/09/2012 22:22

I think having a bad cough can actually damage your muscles & make you temporarily incontinent. I've had that but been ok again when I got rid of the cough.

nankypeevy · 19/09/2012 16:28

I was summoned here by a MNtr via another thread (co-ee) A thread that made Talk of the Week (insert applause here, folks) I'm a physio with an interest in Wimmins' Ishoos

The thread led to a lot of chat and I've set up gusset grippers as a result of that and chat at the school gate. Xiting.

Joygirl - have we met on a facebook forum? That article came up yesterday on there. I have strong reservations about this sort of article - basically, if it's not from a peer reviewed publication, add salt.

Much of what this article says is fine. But, she's a biomechanical person - and that means her understanding of anatomy is not as function based as, say, a physio. And, seeing as how I'm running late and am writing this without applying any tact - the whole article does seem to be a showcase for the photos of her doing squats at Very Pregnant O'Clock. Well, that's smashing for her, but most of us will do ourselves a right mischief if we go from couch to deepsquat.

The sacrum does not flap about like a hinge joint. You want about 5mm of movement at it - the joint is shaped like an ear, has a crinkle cut crisp edge and giant, massive ligaments to hold it still. Too much movement and you get SI dysfunction, lots of pregnant ladies hobbling about will tell you what that's like. Too little SI movement and you'll get low back pain, which can be pretty bad especially when sitting.

The thing that troubles me about the article is that it says that strong gluts will help your continence. Well, that's like saying if you work your biceps you'll get rid of your bingo wings. It will have SOME effect, but nothing useful.

She's right, in that gluts are part of the core muscles you need to keep yourself upright and without bits of your guts falling out your fanjo.

But - if you have been advised to do pfexs, take the article to your care provider and ask them what they think. Don't just stop and swap for squats...

..because - squats are reeeeeeeeeaaaaalllly bad, really, really, bad for prolapses.

Here's the boring sciencey bit. 33% of women aged 35-55 have stress incontinence (you read that right. A third of the women you know are pishing themselves. Sigh) Of that third, approx 40% will have a degree of prolapse and won't neccessarily know about it.

A prolapse is essentially a hernia in your vagina. Your bladder, bowel, uterus, or the whole jing bang, can drop down into your vagina. In fact, if you want to be put off your dinner and have nightmares - google prolapse. If you were brave enough to google "dragon butter"...

Continence is a complex thing. You are right, having a brick hard beaver will not guarantee you won't have the odd accident.

Have a look at www.incostress.com - she's got some great questionnaires so you can figure out about which kind of incontinence you have. And, whether you've got a prolapse. And, what you can do about it. And, she sells a really, really good gadget to help - I'm not an employee, just a fan.

Meanwhile, in general, in most cases, doing your pelvic floor exercises will help, and might cure you.

Hold for 10 - imagine you are bursting for the loo. Squeeze for 10 seconds, when you let go you should feel a "drop", no drop and you have lost the contraction, so try and build up to a count of 10
then
10 quick flicks
then
imagine you've got a wee lift in your fanny (bear with me) take the "lift" to the first, second and third floor, adn then back down to the second, first and then relax.

Do that 3 times a day. Results in a little as two weeks, folks.

LEt's not forget that, apart from pishing yourself, there's a whole lotta tingly bits in your pelvic floor. Having a decent one will enhance your sexual responses - want to have an orgasm? Doyerblardyexercises.

I'm trying to tweet x3 day as a reminder - @gussiegrips Follow me, it'll help.

I want MN to run a campaign about this...once you look into the amount of pain, sadness, embarrassment and loss of confidence, never mind lack of orgasms that a THIRD of women (oh, 50% of the over 55's. And, remember, that's the ones who own up to it...) are living with, well, it's a political issue.

Why aren't we told about this? Why isn't it taught in schools? Is it acceptable to have a leaflet after having a baby (who does it then anyway? You've got a baby to deal with!) and then nothing until you present for prolapse surgery? (the baby will, on average, be attending high school at that point)

If you have any questions or worries, feel free to PM me. It's a silent condition that has a hideous impact on many lives - and you don't need to put up with it.

Right ho, so, do you think it's a topic worthy of a mumsnet campaign? Who's with me? (hang on, I've got an urge to daub myself in woad and run around screeching "Raaaaaaarrrrrrrr!" in an Australian accent)

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