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To think Toby Young is not an expert on anything other than being a smug cunt and Newsnight last night was ridiculously biased

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lecce · 18/09/2012 08:08

Stayed up for Newsnight last night expecting a balanced and rigorous (isn't that the word of the moment in education?) debate on Gove's latest attempt to wreck our schools, only to find a trio of complacent, smug non-experts deriding the acheivements of our youngsters and teachers and glibly accepting as fact the old cliches of 'dumbing down', 'race to the bottom' etc.

First time I have ever felt pissed off about paying my tv license.

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Grumpla · 18/09/2012 08:12

I can't comment on Newsnight on account of being unable to watch him on the TV any more, ever. This is because the ensuing shouting tends to wake up the kids.

glamourousgranny42 · 18/09/2012 08:15

I am sick to death of these prats messing about with our kids education. What Gove, Young and their ilk want is a two tier system so their middle class darlings can avoid the working class in their free schools and make sure that they dont sully the elite by actually doing better in exams.

WhatYouLookingAt · 18/09/2012 08:17

Isn't Toby Young a food critic? Confused

Farewelltoarms · 18/09/2012 08:32

Yanbu he is an expert on nothing but oral flatulence.

flatpackhamster · 18/09/2012 08:52

So you wanted a 'balanced' debate but your stance is that Gove is 'wrecking' the schools.

No wonder you were dissatisfied that the BBC didn't pander to your whims.

Of course you're BU. If you want just one side of the debate on schools, then you can find it here.

Mrsjay · 18/09/2012 09:03

what does he do and why is there a film about him or did he write a book then made in to a shit film , His celeb come dine with me is spectacular he came across as such a knob who couldn't do anything without his wife supervising, with some silly bint saying how wonderful his wife was for managing to keep a clean house with 2 small children Angry

Longtalljosie · 18/09/2012 09:17

Toby Young set up a free school. Who else was on the panel?

limitedperiodonly · 18/09/2012 09:38

The documentary on his free school showed his plan was to get public money to educate his children and the children of his friends. It also showed that he and his friends had no organisational skills beyond opening yet another bottle of Rioja in their lovely West London kitchens.

Yet, somehow they got the money. Presumably that was because Toby's school was one of Govey's flagship projects and couldn't be allowed to fail.

The book How To Lose Friends and Alienate People had some amusing anecdotes on US celebrity journalism in it which was turned into an okay film.

The producers wisely ditched the rest of the book which consisted of Young's unoriginal musings on the US attitude to meritocracy vs Britain's attitude on noblesse oblige.

I guess he wants a reputation as a serious thinker but he's not the social commentator his dad was. Sadly he's been brought up to think he is - probably because like most parents his mum and dad love him too much to admit they spawned a dolt.

wordfactory · 18/09/2012 10:46

I'm not a fan of Toby Young. I'm not very interested in his opinions.

But, I think we have to accept that the current GCSEs are not sufficiently robust enough to show proper profficiency in a subject.
Students, teachers, employers and university tutors all seem to be in agreement about this.

WhatYouLookingAt · 18/09/2012 10:56

He was a guest judge on Top Chef.

lecce · 18/09/2012 11:36

flatpackhamster* I do have a particular stance but I still wanted to watch a balanced debate. There was no one on the panel who came close to sharing my views - it began from a starting point that we all somehow 'know' that there is something wrong with GCSEs. We don't.

wordfactory Which teachers and pupils have you spoken to about this? Those in my school certainly are not in agreement about this. What is 'proper proficiency' and how do you know that GCSEs do not provide the opportunity to show it?

Why on earth would reintroducing learning by rote and terminal examinations that test little more than memory be the best way to allow pupils to acheive? What is to happen to the many for whom this proposed system will not work?

Teachers have already worked hard to implement major changes to the curriculum brought in two years ago. Now all that work, planning and resources are to be thrown away to facilitate Gove's wet-dream of a 1950s style education for all becoming a reality.

I am so sick of everyone stating as fact the idea that exams have been dumbed-down. Teachers have been placed under enourmous pressure in recent years to improve results. Our school was threatened with closure 3 years ago so, of course, we all worked even harder than we were already to improve results.

But, oh no, the higher pass-rate can't be down to students' and teachers' work. It must be due to 'dumbing-down'.

Throughout history people of a certain age have always idealised the past ? their 'day? when everything was so much better than it is now. It is mostly bollocks. My teachers (I am 36 so among the first few cohorts of GCSE-sitters) were always telling us that the new GCSEs required us to know less but understand, interpret and evaluate more. They seemed to see them as harder than the old-style O-Levels.

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lovebunny · 18/09/2012 11:41

i teach in an inner city comprehensive. i am not worried about our high-achievers under the new system, but i am concerned about everyone else.

isn't there a consultation document people can comment on?

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