To ask you all to sign the "No More Page 3" petition?

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It's a bit of a no-brainer really. How are we ever supposed to show our kids that women are more than just sex objects when Page 3 exists? It's archaic and totally unnecessary. It's also an anachronism and offensive. Please sign if you believe that pictures of topless girls don't belong in a so-called family newspaper.

More info here and a facebook page here

Fantastically, the petition has gone from 2,000 signatures yesterday morning to over 16,000 today!

Oh how exciting, it's the daily campaign.

I'm rather looking forward to dolphins myself.

Do any of you former page-3 girls get recognised? I bumped in to a girl in Miami I'd been to school with 16 years previous - she recognised me and is very good friends with my sister. She'd done page 3, once, before that. A man approached her and asked if she was "x, the page 3 girl". 8 years later!

daddancer I am so glad my husband does not have the same morals as you!!
Pro lap dancing & pro page 3, does it get any worse

cakebump I might have to start my very own petition against that ;)

Daddancer I sincerely hope you have no daughters. You obviously have no idea of the lasting damage to women lap-dancing does, it leads to prostitution and porn for a lot of the girls I knew. I suppose you're not against that either? Anyway that's off subject.

I'm wondering where the campaign against Heat magazine's "Torso of the Week" is?

Or are we somehow ok with that? Is it just TITS which we don't like?

No, no-one thinks that one man looking at one picture of one woman's boobs makes him objectify women. Reductio ad absurdum is an easy, lazy rhetoric.

However, lots of men and women growing up surrounded by lots of pictures of women's tits will grow up feeling that that is all women are worth, that any woman can be valued on whether they are worth a wank or not.

I do have to lol at all these women signing a petition to stop other women from choosing to do something!!

YANBU

Signed it.

why don't we go the whole hog and make women wear burkhas for fear they be viewed as sex objects.

How is it that I go to paper shops, I surf the internet and I never see women's boobs?
I can't say I ever notice, maybe I'm just unobservant

Yes, of course insisting all woman wear a burkha is the same as not wanting topless women in a newspaper- catch yourself on dear

there are loads of men on the petition writing that they want it to stop and they find it patronising to them. This is not solely a feminist issue.

catwoo in regards to your burkha comment........

They are same problem in my view, they are both patronising to the majority of men by depicting all women as sexual objects that men can't stop lusting over.

Topless girls in a newspaper because men like to gawp at young bare flesh and burkha's because obviously men can't be trusted not to look at the opposite sex without have inappropriate thoughts.

Both ends of the scale are extreme and patronise men more than anything. Judging by the number of men signing the petition it would seem I am right in these assumptions.

Signed, have always loathed Page 3, my parents bought the Sun when I was growing up and it really confused me as a child why I would see a naked woman/girl every morning, would loathe my sons to ever think it is OK.

Disgruntled feminists :o

Yeah, I'm a feminist cos I can't get a shag...

'Yes, of course insisting all woman wear a burkha is the same as not wanting topless women in a newspaper- catch yourself on dear'

It is an extreme extrapolation of the same argument.

Do I have to bin my sexy fireman calendar now?

clipped I want a fireman calendar! I do have a firestation up the street and happen to walk past it often.

Having checked that there is no mention of women having to wear burkhas in the petition, I have signed.

at Fanjo. I can get you one of each if you like.

There are so many massive logic fails on this thread.

You have no right do dictate what people look at, so YABVU
So, as a society, we shouldn't collectively make decisions about what is and what is not available in the public domain with regards to porn/sexual imagery? It's a complex, multi-faceted thing deciding where the line should be drawn, but surely we can all agree we need to draw the line somewhere.

Arguing that topless shots have no place on p3 of a 'family' newspaper DOES NOT mean that we are simultaneously arguing that ALL nude/sexual images are wrong in EVERY context. The same as you are presumably not arguing that no-one should 'dictate' what people look at and all sexual imagery should be legal and accepted on all platforms (including sexual imagery of children? Snuff porn?)

There are lots of people who think page 3 is harmless. This is their opinion. There are a lot of other people who think it is harmful, for all sorts of reasons. We need, socially, to moderate between these two points of view. This petition is a statement of opinion from a body of people that they do not find it acceptable to have female-only sexual imagery as part and parcel of 'news'.

Thanks for the replies Dana1981 and fortifiedwithtea. I think with the internet and news so readily available these days, the daily paper needs to offer a bit more than just basic news, with additional things like entertainment, reviews, crosswords, agony aunts etc. To me the sun is a bit like a daily version of a lads mag and for that reason i think it is in context that it features a page 3 girl.
Yeah i appreciate the majority of posters are mothers and that is why i said 'evening ladies' to emphasize that a dad newbie was joining the debate, It wasn't intended to be patronising as one poster implied.
To the other posters who replied back i take it the rule about keeping things civil doesn't apply then?, and as you resorted in using personal insults rather than constructive debate i won't be replying back. Sorry but your argument is lost at that point.

On a separate note i would like to ask if any of the persons who dislike page 3 would be happy if the girls were to pose with their tops on?, would this be acceptable or would you still oppose the fact a girl features on page 3 of the Sun?

If you think the Sun should operate in the same arena as a lads mag, then let's have it on that shelf, not on the main news stand then. No other lads mags sit next to the Telegraph.

Personally, no I would not be happy if they just stuck a bikini top on the page 3 girl and kept her there, but I'm not speaking for anyone else on that point. If it's that or the status quo I'd take that but I don't see why it should be.

signed, Page 3 has always bothered me and I've never understood why it exists. Can you imagine opening a newspaper and seeing a flaccid cock in the morning, why the hell should anyone want or need to see boobs?

Quodlibet you do relise I assume that this is a thread in AIBU
not in campaigns or some petition topic.
so people can disagree