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Ex husband - children's father

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Netguru · 17/09/2012 09:10

Back story to try to give straight facts.

Separated and then divorced ex husband 5 years ago. Children were then 16, 7 and 5. Divorce was amicable - after almost 20 years we were able to agree that it was no longer what we wanted.

I remarried, someone I knew at the time but no relationship until after split. exH didn't. He is 15 years older than me so now 57.

I bought house with new partner 40 miles away. Shortly after this, exH lost his job and company car. Since that time he has of course paid nothing towards the kids. I'm very well off (good job and high earning DH) so don't press this at all.

Queue several years of driving children over to him to see him relatively regularly so they can have a good relationship with their dad.

About a year after the move, drove over with the kids to drop them off and found him drunk, middle Friday afternoon. Refused to leave children with him (which wasn't pleasant with him and children crying). Didn't know what to do so drove to his mother's house and told her what I had found. Agreed that the children could stay with her for the weekend and he could see them there.

He admitted to his family that weekend that he had a drink problem. This led to him spending far more time at his mother's house, she cleaned him up and stopped him drinking. He clearly found it comfortable there as he is now rarely at home.

So for past two or so years, children have been going to see him at his mothers'. His mother is 87 and he leaves her to do most things when they are there. She understandably then gets grumpy.

When they visit, I ask two things. I ask that they are given a decent breakfast not containing sugar as this is something we do at home (no coco pops etc) as the youngest gets severely constipated if he does't get fibre. I also ask that they go to bed at a reasonable hour so they don't come home exhausted and foul.

My daughter (now 13) feels that her grandmother doesn't like her. Both her younger and older brother agree that 'Nanna' treats here differently and even exH agrees, saying that she is operating under some odd idea that the youngest boy needs more encouragement.

I therefore arranged to 'sorry I have to....' deliver and pick them up from his house instead this weekend.

Last night they returned. They have been fed sugar puffs, allowed to stay up until 11 both nights and, the thing that got me the most, shared a bed with their father in the lounge (sofa bed) both nights like some giant sleep over.

My daughter is 13. She has gone through puberty. Sharing a bed with her brother and a 57 year old man who is her father is in my view not reasonable.

My son was so tired on the second night of this, he apparently got up in the middle of the night and took himself off to bed. Needless to say, on his return home he was exhausted, fell asleep in his dinner and was dreadful to get up this morning.

So - the point. I am fed up but my husband is even more fed up that we are the only ones trying to do the right thing. We and the 'bad' people who make them clean their teeth, eat properly, do their homework, go to bed on time. Their father is the fun one who ignores all the normal rules and undermines us - at our damn expense and trouble. There is a train which runs from where we live to where he lives and not once has he got on it to come and see them. If we don't get them to him, he doesn't see them.

I know he is the kids Dad, but over the past five years he hasn't acted like a Dad - and whilst I realise that the view may be unpopular - my DH has. He is the one who deals with the learning to ride a bike, bullying at school, arranging extra maths tuition, making sure their clean their teeth, helping elder son at uni, supporting me as I go through the usual ups and downs of parenthood.

My daughter doesn't want to go to her fathers. Mostly to be honest because she'd rather be with her friends like most teenagers but she is hurt by the way that her grandmother treats her. My youngest son loves it there. 'Daddy' treats him as very special, doesn't discipline and still babes him (to the point that he helps him get dressed at 11)

Am I being unreasonable to be so fed up - or is he being unreasonable in his behaviour. And, more importantly - what would you do?

OP posts:
Beamur · 17/09/2012 10:35

In that case, I'd agree with you.

Have you ever asked your ex to come and get them (or bring them back) on the train himself?

Netguru · 17/09/2012 10:41

He says he can't afford it.

I could offer to pay - I bought him a railcard - but he can afford to smoke, drink (more occasionally now) and contributes nothing - so I have to say I am rather disinclined to. That is probably petulant of me - as it would make my life easier - and it is probably something I can get over.

Doesn't really address the behaviour though.

I don;t understand why a grown man would want to sleep in the lounge with his teenage daughter and her younger brother - not just for a one night 'this would be fun like a camp' but both nights of a weekend - to the point that the kids get fed up with it. He needs to grow up.

I initially got cross at Whatyoulookingat's statement. But actually you have a point. I have facilitated him for five years (and to be honest most of the time we were married too) If I stop, I know he won't see them as he simply will not do anything which puts him out. But maybe it really is time to stop making the running - and seeing what happens.

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squeakytoy · 17/09/2012 10:42

can he not travel with his sister? does he actually want to go and see his Dad anyway?

There comes a point (and I speak as a stepmother to 3) when the kids start making their own choices and can understand how feckless the absent parent is. If they dont want to go and see him because he makes no effort, then dont force it.

Doasyouwouldbe · 17/09/2012 10:44

Who moved the 40 miles away?

LadyInDisguise · 17/09/2012 10:47

Lots of issues there..

1- If your dd is uncomfortable sleeping with her dad and her db then she shouldn't be made too. She is entering teenage-hood, started her periods (that she might still not be comfortable about - what will happen when she goes on a weekend when she has her periods for example). It is wrong to ask her to do so. I am actually surprised that after 5 years there is no arrangement so that they can all have a bed, incl your exH (or is the arrangement of sleeping on the sofa only there when the dcs are there?)
After all boy and girl sleeping in the same bedroom (let alone the same bed!) isn't encouraged when the dcs are teenagers. Ok when they are young of course.

2- You would think that your request about breakfast cereal will be listen to but I am getting the feeling that they are never confronted to it (ie he gets the tummy aches when he is back home, not at his dad) so probably think you are over reacting.
And, my experience with elderly people is that they can be set as to what is OK or not OK so their gran probably doesn't see it as an issue because ...well... she doesn't and at her age should not be left the one responsible for the dcs health iyswim (which means that their dad should be btw. Not an attack on their gran as such).

3- Your dd is old enough to decide if she wants to see her dads or not now. I would follow her lead and propose alternative (such as only going for the day, not at her gran's etc...)

4- If you think your ds isn't mature enough to cope with the travel, do you think your dd will and that together they could the trip? Depending on how long it is, they could go together only for the day. You would avoid the issue with bed sharing, breakfast, late nights and they would still see their dad?

5- Do you believe your exH is 'responsible' enough to be left with 2 dcs, one of which still needs daily parenting? It looks like his mum is doing all the work and imho she is too old for that.

LadyInDisguise · 17/09/2012 10:50

BTW 40 miles isn't that much. As a direct train, it would take at most one hour which is certainly not enough to stop a dad seeing his dcs.
And even with a train connection, it still isn't an issue. It would be wrong to tell the OP that it's her fault for moving when she has gone through so much effort in the last 5 years for the dcs to see their dad.

It's not as if she had move to the other side of the country!

Netguru · 17/09/2012 10:50

I did. I was in the former very large and heavily mortgaged family home. Had I not done so, once he stopped paying any form of maintenance, I would have lost the house. My new partner (now DH) works 100 miles away. We compromised. ExH agreed there was no option.

We also agreed that we would share the burden of travel. He then lost his job and has claimed no ability to help ever since.

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Netguru · 17/09/2012 10:55

This sleeping on the sofa bed happened at his house - not his mothers - after I only offered to deliver them to him.

They have beds upstairs, as does he. This was choice.

He wants to be a good dad - I know that. But his idea of being a good dad is trying to be their best mate - and that does't always work. I guess a lot of my anger stems from the 11 year old's extremely periodic comments 'Dad doesn't make me do that' - and I have to bite my tongue. I really do feel like I've done all that I can to get them a relationship with him - and I'm fed up that he repays me by behaving irresponsibly.

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Beamur · 17/09/2012 10:55

OP - I'm with you on this one, but not sure which issue I'd try and address first! Well done for taking the 'facilitating' comment on the chin, how would your kids feel about not seeing their Dad if he didn't step up though?

thebeesnees79 · 17/09/2012 10:58

I would rather be an over protective mother than a grieving one. op glad you agree that 11 is way too young for a mainline train journey!
He is being unfair and seems to not want to meet even half way.
I agree with others about sending suitable breakfast with him if he has problems. and at 16 if your daughter doesn't want to go don't force her. Its mean to stop taking your 11 year old to visit his dad (but only on your child) his father should really be offering to make the journey even if its once a month!

LadyInDisguise · 17/09/2012 11:05

Seriously, didn't he realize that his dd was uncomfortable about the arrangement?

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 17/09/2012 13:34

I guess a lot of my anger stems from the 11 year old's extremely periodic comments Dad doesn't make me do that' - and I have to bite my tongue.

I get this from my DS and I calmly point out that if he lived at his dads full time then his dad would make him do that.

I do sympathise with you. It's such a shame that men like this can't grasp that even though they're no longer with us, they're not against us when it comes to raising the children.

WhatYouLookingAt · 17/09/2012 13:58

I thought you might have both reactions. Wink

You are not responsible for his relationships with his children. I think you need to realise this idea fully.

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