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Who is more at fault?

38 replies

pamelat · 16/09/2012 18:11

dh and I are continuing to have a tricky time.

I think we are both stressed out by life in general, work, finances, children (especially the behaviour of our 4 year old), even general chores are getting us down!

Ive felt like I may be depressed several times since having our children but GP has twice said not.

Anyway, without too much background ...

I'm not sure these things ever work with a stand alone example but the following has just happened, and I believe I'm not the one at fault and yet DH says I owe him an apology.

After a stressful swimming session with kids

First dd being awful in car and I tell dh that he needs to be more assertive/stern with her. He YELLS at her, which terrifies her. He rarely shouts and I didn't mean yell. Anyway she ends up sobbing but stupidly blows a raspberry cheekily at him and he slaps her :-(

We don't slap.

I soothe her and let it go.

We get home and his tone is off with me. I challenge this but sound like I'm nagging. In the past we've fallen out over nagging.

I go up with youngest and hear him speak to dd sharply in same tone. I over react (perhaps compensating for not reacting with slap?)

I go down and say he can't speak to her like that but know I was shouty. He turns and tells me to shut up. And I swear (I never swear!!)

This is awful as in front of the children

He turns and throws something on the flirt than was in hand, which has broken tiles. He grabs and pushes me before storming off upstairs for half an hour

I sit with the children who to be fair seem unbothered by the drama?!!

He comes down half an hour later but cross at me for nagging and swearing

We calmly talk but he doesn't change this view. I know we have issues to work out or walk away from, we want it to work, but I genuinely don't know how to work at things if our view are so different on this sort of stupid squabble

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 16/09/2012 20:15

Sounds to me (from your example) that he can't say anything right.

and Who was actually driving the car?

holyfishnets · 16/09/2012 20:16

you need to agree three rules - no physical hurting, no shouting and no swearing

BoneyBackJefferson · 16/09/2012 20:35

attheendoftheday

"I don't think you can be blamed for nagging. I think nagging is a negative term solely attached to women which just means 'asking someone to do something'. By calling it nagging the myth that women should put up and shut up with regards to carrying the majority of chores and childcare."

That is your agenda being pushed and is not really helpfull

Cluffyfunt · 16/09/2012 20:46

He is being a total shit.

He needs to grow
The
Fuck
Up.

He was pissed at you for pulling him up about being firmer with your DD and decided to teach you a lesson.
By hitting her.

He was then violent to you.

I could do 10yrs for what I want to do to your H right now.

But I wouldn't.
Because I'm not a violent muppet.

NowThenWreck · 16/09/2012 20:48

If any man, no matter how much I was "nagging" and how much stress he was under, or how much he was drinking pushed me, especially in front of my child, he would be out the door.
I have slapped a couple of times on the legs in the past, at the culmination of a lot of brattiness, and regretted it massively, apologised to ds and said I was totally wrong.
Violence is never, never OK. None of us are perfect parents, and some of us are stressed/depressed/ at the end of our tether (I have been there) but your dh has crossed a line which will make it easier to cross in the future.

Cluffyfunt · 16/09/2012 20:55

BoneyBackJefferson
I don't understand what you were trying to say in relation to attheendofthedays post.
What do you se as his/her agenda?

BoneyBackJefferson · 16/09/2012 22:05

Cluffyfunt

Nagging is not just the action of 'asking someone to do something'.

nor is calling it nagging "the myth that women should put up and shut up with regards to carrying the majority of chores and childcare"

nagging often has very little to do with chores, child care niether does calling it nagging have anything to do with getting women to "put up and shut up".

Nagging is to Annoy or irritate (a person) with persistent faultfinding or continuous urging.

attheendoftheday · 16/09/2012 22:55

BoneyBack

I'm giving my opinion, if you disagree then you have an equal right to express your opinion on this open internet forum.

Not sure why my post should bother you enough to single out tbh. If you're worried about it not being helpful enough to the op then you can post something yourself you think is better. But there was nothing particularly critical towards the op in my post.

redwhiteandblueeyedsusan · 16/09/2012 23:38

he is violent towards you. pushing and shoving is violence. throwing things and breaking things is classed as dv too. there is no excuse for being violent. he is responsible. if you are winding him up by shouting, he needs to take responsibility for his actions and walk away, as could you when you aare getting angry.

he is not taking responsibility. he is blaming you.. red flag

you know these things usually escalate?

you know that good dads do not get violent with the mother?

now would be aa good time to think seriously about your future with him. what if you needed to leave in the future? do you have an exit plan?

Cluffyfunt · 17/09/2012 14:15

I disagree with you then, BoneyBackJefferson.

Lots of women are told off for 'nagging' by people who do want them to put up and shut up.

'Nagging' is pretty much always used in sexist way to describe a female asking/reminding a male to do/not do something that the male doesn't (want)/wants to do.

I hope you're ok today op.

ClippedPhoenix · 17/09/2012 14:25

Both of you were wrong but he became violent OP which is a very slippery slope.

What's with the drinking every night as well?

As for "nagging" I'm with cluffy on that one.

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/09/2012 16:55

cluffy

The definition of Nagging is

"to Annoy or irritate (a person) with persistent faultfinding or continuous urging."

that so many people get it wrong is an issue, but if I said that I was being continuously undermined and that my partner said that I couldn't do anything right. It would be a red flag. By its definition continous nagging is a red flag.

hzgreen · 17/09/2012 17:23

totally agree with blueeyedsusan. there is probably fault on both sides here and certainly issues to work through if you choose to but for him to shove you and throw things AND then to tell you it was his fault? very unreasonable, he's not taking any responsibility for his actions. i think you both need to calm down, step back and try to resolve the situation from there. i think if you really wantto make this work maybe you could go to relate? they are a really good organisation and it seems like you may need a third party at this stage.

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