To think it is unreasonable to let DCs play out at this time

[TheQueenOfDiamonds]

My mums next door neighbour gets up very early. She is often outside in her garden at 6am, sweeping and things.

She often has her GC over, and she sends him out on the garden to play.

This morning she had him and his friend over and they were out playing at 8am and being very loud and banging things.

AIBU to think this is a bit rude and that people with young children should consider that childless neighbours may enjoy a lie in on a sunday morning, and don't want to be woken up early by shouting children? I think 9/9.30am is reasonable to be making the sort of noise that your neighbours will hear - I'm sure most parents would be pissed off if neighbours continually woke their children up in the evening?

Well, your not allowed to use your car horn in built up areas between 11.30pm and 7am. So I'd use those as guidelines as to what it reasonable times to be making noise.

But then were the family that the guys who open the park know us, as we are there at 7am when the gates are unlocked!

Children playing is not the same as a car horn.

Children playing is not the same as a car horn.

You clearly have not met our neighbours!

YANBU. My neighbours used to do this, at around 7am at the weekend. Their backdoor was right below our bedroom window. I didn't have children then so asked a mum at work who said she never let her son play outside before 9, which made me feel marginally better. It was every fucking weekend, without fail, their 2 DDs screeching in the garden. And this is not a street where people have music blaring out night and day. I reckon I was not the only person who sighed with relief when they moved. And, having had DD, she is never outside at that hour, my neighbour on one side is an early gent and the other is 2 flats with couples without kids, I fail to see, given that there are plenty of hours in the day for her to play outside, she needs to be out there at a time which would almost certainly disturb them. They aren't noisy, why should we be?

CRASHDOLL - I meant more in the sense that there's no need for someone to beep their horns, but stopping children from playing isn't right.

it's not stopping children from playing! They can play inside. They can learn that the world doesn't revolve around them and there is a right time to be charging about outside, and early mornings are not it.

GoldShip Ok but they're not being stopped playing. They should not be playing outside loudly at that hour in the morning.

Christ almighty. You do realise that 8am isn't even that early.

We complain about kids not getting enough excercise and fresh air, then do the same when they do.

Some kids would rather be outside, some may even just be getting away from whatever shit is going on inside the home.

Invest in double glazing and maybe some ear plugs, you're unreasonable to think that when you lie in, the rest of the world should too.

It is early and it's antisocial. The world does not revolve around noisy little children. They have to learn.

oh for goodness sake, GoldShip, do you really not remember what life was like pre-children? Do you really think children and families with children trump everyone else? Because they don't. Not allowing children to play outside for a couple of hours after they've got up is not going to render them obese, what nonsense. It is going to instill a sense of awareness of those around them, a trait a few more people could do with. You are unreasonable to think that just because you have chosen to have children and no longer have a lie in, others should be denied it. They shouldn't, and I wouldn't dream of expecting them to.

I don't have children.

Simple answer.

8 am isearly and I do have children.

The resul is the same as a car horn though.
I think parks are a different matter - I couldn't give a toss who's making what noise on a park as there aren't usually people trying to sleep directly next to them. Play on a park all night for me lol.

alibaba To be fair, if they're not showing you consideration I wouldn't go out of my way endlessly to do it for them either.

goldship - in the week no its not. On a sunday morning though.. Most childless people I know sleep in on a sunday morning. I would be doing if I didn't have kids, and if my son sleeps until 10am on a weekend so do I. As I said though, nothing wakes me up so personally it wouldn't be a problem, but I'd be annoyed if it did.

I don't see what childless neighbours have to do with it. Even people without children surely know that children exist, babies cry, toddlers bang things about, teenagers play loud music, etc. etc. A bit of live and let live is needed.

I reckon after 8am you can't really argue. 6-8 is a grey area on a weekend morning - it depends how young the child is and how much it can be reasonably expected for them to know to be quiet.

Invest in double glazing and maybe some ear plugs, you're unreasonable to think that when you lie in, the rest of the world should too.

And my mum has double glazing, she is also half deaf AND on medication that knocks her out! That's how loud it is!

8am is not early. 5 or 6 is early.

LRD - childless couples don't have to wake up with children, so I think people with children should be more considerate of the times they allow their children to be making lots of noise outside where its going to carry and disturb your neighbours.

As I said, I would think most parents would be upset if their neighbour disturbed their children late at night, even though it could be within legal limits.

Maybe I'm just not "with it" though, as I said, my current neighbours don't make noise and I only had DD when I lived next door to loud music players and she's deaf so it didn't make a difference.

Yeah, but people in general have to accept that children exist and sometimes make a noise.

Surely if your neighbours are childless, it's actually easier for them, because they don't routinely have to deal with getting woken up early, the way a parent does? And they can curse and turn over and go back to sleep, or whatever. IMO.

I do think it is a little different with adults disturbing children late at night, because adults can help things more than children. I don't get the impression a five year old always knows how noisy he or she is being. I would say the same about someone who was hard of hearing - irritating for me, but not their fault if they need things up loud.

My flat mate cum landlady used to vacuum right outside my room on the mornings I was taking a lie in before a week of nights, EVERY time. She worked nights too but on the opposite week, so had just finished her set. It infuriated me but twas her flat. Ironically we both had latent thyroid problems - she had 'over', I had 'under'. Guess who needed more sleep! It didn't end well but she's still alive and unharmed by me.

Oops, forgot to conclude. As a tired person, I think YANBU but I can see it both ways. My LL was very U.

8am is not early, just like 9:30pm is not late, YABU to expect 10-12 hours of "quiet". If you do need that long it's relatively simple to use ear plugs etc. to ensure that you get it. But expecting everyone else to live by your hours is unreasonable. Particularly if you think sunday is somehow special because it's the day you have a lie in - what if others have a lie in on different days?

I'm amazed at all the posters who say they restrict their DC access to the garden until 9/10/11am!

As youngsters, my older 3dc would typically have been up for 3.5 hours by 9am and usually in the garden playing by around 7am. They were however told "no noise, lots of people are still sleeping - or it's straight back in the house".

Maybe a touch early. I aim for 8.30 on a Saturday, 9.30 on a Sunday, and I do worry about our neighbours. BUT, they regularly do evening DIY so I guess I shouldn't worry too much!

Not wishing to generalise LRD but speaking just about my neighbours the childless ones are the only ones who complain about noise outside early on the weekends.

Would you like to come round and tell them that they should just turn over and go back to sleep? I can tell you it won't go down well, it's easier for me to keep my children inside for a while than have to deal with the complaints and dirty looks.

I'd tell them for you.

Im not that keen on children, I get woken up by the ones playing in the street, but I don't begrudge them playing.

We all need to be a bit more tolerant.

Your neighbours should try living on my childhood street, you'd get worried if it was quiet. It generally meant they were either setting fire to your bushes or nicking plant pots.