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to think employers should stop abusing use of temporary contracts?

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mumnosGOLDisbest · 11/09/2012 22:04

I'm on my 4th year on a temporary contract and DH has done 2 years through an agency in the same job. If an employer wants you for an indefinate period and long term then why not guve a permanent contract? They have you over a barrel. If you stand up for youself theres always someone else to step into your job: :(

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LtEveDallas · 12/09/2012 20:27

WhatYouLookingAt, could you point me in the right direction? DNeice works a shift system, 3 or 5 days on, then the same off. She has been told her 'hoidays' are her 'off' days and that if she wants any other time off it is unpaid.

(not that I think she will do anything about it - she is too scared of losing her job Sad)

deste · 12/09/2012 21:10

Can I hijack please. I worked for a charity training clients. I was contracted out from the local council, having been on a 0 hour contract. I have for the last year been self employed as the council could no longer fund the group. Two weeks ago I got two weeks notice that they could no longer afford to pay me and have got in a local college who can do my job for free. I have worked with them for about 4.5 years with no breaks apart from holidays and did 4 hours per week. Will I be entitled to redundancy bearing in mind I am still waiting for July's wages. I didn't get holiday pay since I went self employed either but then again I'm not sure if I am entitled to it anyway.

deste · 12/09/2012 21:12

Just read the above post saying they break up employment by not employing you for a week or two. Every 3 months I had to take a week off because they had no clients in.

mumnosGOLDisbest · 12/09/2012 23:15

I don't know deste if you being self employed changes things. Hope someone here can help. It seems convenient that they broke your service up every 3 months. Is that around the magic 12 weeks?

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WhatYouLookingAt · 13/09/2012 09:09

Start with this Dallas.
It's an absolute basic right for all employees, temp or permanent, long or short term.

creamteas · 13/09/2012 09:22

There was an legal case (Ford vs Warwickshire) which set the precedent that breaks between contracts do not always mean that continous service is lost.

If a pattern is established (contract, break, contract, break) then continous service could be deemed to begin from the date of the first contract. Always get you union to check this.

FrothyOM · 14/09/2012 06:47

CREAMTEAS That's good to know Thanks

I don't know how you can challenge your employer on this without them dismissing you. Plus, a lot of people on 0 hour contracts are on the minimum wage so couldn't afford to challenge it. Sad

trinitybleu · 14/09/2012 07:18

YABU because I work on interim / temporary contracts by choice.

And people will get holiday pay / sick pay etc. That's unavoidable. The holiday pay may be added to the basic hourly rate. Sick pay will be as per statutory levels, based on hours worked in the previous 12 weeks.

mumnosGOLDisbest · 14/09/2012 14:59

trinity you do it through choice. For many it is temporary or nothing. DH get some holidays but no sick pay.

Anyone know about Swedish deregation? DH says it's a loophole his agency use to get aronund the 12 week rule. Basically they guarantee 7 hrs work per wk but this could be anywhere not his normal place of work.

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mumnosGOLDisbest · 25/09/2012 09:25

I finally got my contract for my 4th year teaching in the same school. It's not to cover a temporary position and it's not temporary funding so why is it still temporary? :(
I know after 4 years it becomes permanent. Can anyone think why mine might not? and if not should I just ask them to make me permanent anyway? Going to ask in primary education too so sorry if you find this there too.

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Proudnscary · 25/09/2012 09:41

My company far rather puts people on permanent contracts for stability and loyalty.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 25/09/2012 09:41

YANBU in your case. However if your DH is out of work at the moment, it would seem that a temporary contact is right in his situation... (Sorry :))

He is entitled to SSP though

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 25/09/2012 09:44

OP, I think it is quite possible that your DH works for the same company I used to, they have the "A..." contract...

Afraid I've been out of the office for a while now though, my employment law knowledge is not what it was :(

mumnosGOLDisbest · 25/09/2012 10:11

Probably beyond! I just don't get how a temporary contract is temporary when it is renewed year on year. Surely at some point it makes more sense to make it permanent for both the employer and employee. DH is on his 2nd year. I know it still beats unemployment though.

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BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 25/09/2012 10:15

Are you in Swansea? If so, theres a tiny chance I interviewed him Grin

mumnosGOLDisbest · 25/09/2012 10:19

Ah no, I can't blame you Grin We're up in the sunny North (Doncaster)

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