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To not talk to a friend I really need to work on a project?

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WorriedBetty · 03/09/2012 05:16

Hello,

This is a bit confusing, but I had/have a friend who is a bit of an intellectual bully, but overall she is great, and I get on well with her. She has always held senior positions, and is used to directing projects. Recently I asked her to work, voluntarily as I am doing, on a project that really needed her skills and political ability, however it was my project and it involved things close to me. As part of this, I was trying to bring in people with skills, and I asked someone else I know through her to join the project because this new person, (lets say Kate) a) had skills that suited and b) was out of work and needed to fill the gap on her CV.

All was going well, but the original friend (lets say Susan) also wanted to bring in Kate's husband on the project. Kate's husband works in Marketing, but frankly his ideas were rubbish, no ambition and poorly thought through, however, he clearly thought we were all amateurs and that he was throwing us tiny bones of experience - an attitude which annoyed me, but Susan, with her political 'ability' kept encouraging me to say his work was good even when it wasn't. Eventually I challenged him and said that he needed to come up with better ideas. He lost his rag and started going on about 'I do this for a living'. Susan then went into a big long lecture with me about how my personality was deficient, how I should apologise and how I needed to know my place - in front of Kate's husband!

I pointed out that she (Susan) had said nothing for ten minutes that wasn't insulting, she said 'you deserve it'. etc etc. When I reflected on the conversation I realised that throughout Susan had been interrupting me and basically undermining me, which added to the tension.

Later I made a decision (my project!) on a quick easy win campaign that had one specific goal but delaying by a day would mean that we wouldn't achieve its objective. Susan went mental! She insulted my work, then argued with me about it saying I had to let Kate's husband authorise it.. and that we should delay for two days for him to do so!

I told him that would defeat the purpose of doing it at all, and that in any case the decision had been made to go ahead.

This is where it got even weirder. We were in a coffee shop and another person working on the project arrived to meet me (say Joanne) - Susan then started saying 'Joanne agrees with me don't you' - Joanne knew nothing about it! . Then Susan started saying well now its two against one, what are you going to do? Shock - I said as calmly as I could 'well there are 8 people on the project, you say there is 2, that's 2 to 6, unless you are assuming they are all on your side.

Anyway after that I got several emails from Kate's husband reminding me how long he had been working in marketing, how I should listen to him, how my attitude was wrong, and then.. get this.. an insistence on a further day's delay so his designer could redesign the campaign (but in a way that would undermine the message completely). This came as a 'you will do this' rather than a suggestion. I then get another email from Susan saying that I had to do what he suggested because I should be polite about her involvement.

I replied back saying that it was now too late as the purpose and timing meant that had I delayed I would have missed our opportunity, but had he lined up a designer that we could use for later campaigns?. The answer was 'no, I'm not here to organise a designer for you' Shock

I then get another email back saying that he didn't understand what the project was anyway and could I send documents! I did and then I got a phonecall saying I should change my organisation's logo to a colour-scheme that matches his company logo!

I wrote back effectively saying that he was being unreasonable, he had attempted to control a project without even knowing what the project was and had promised resources that on request for them were not delivered and that this was difficult to manage.

He then calls Kate (who if you remember was the person whose skills I actually wanted in the first place) and gets her to pull out on his behalf, then calls Susan and asks her to do the same Shock

I expect Susan to support me and stay with the project, but instead of doing this, she jumps in on their side, and completely withdraws from the project.

Suffice it to say, I have hardly spoken to Susan since, but I have noticed that several of the letters from people Susan was speaking to on behalf of us indicate that she had told a lot of people this was her project.

I feel bad because we got on well before this, but am I being unreasonable to cool off the friendship even though I could still use Susan's skills?

Susan knows me better than she knows Kate and Husband, so why did she jump in on their side first?

OP posts:
neverknowinglyunreasonable · 03/09/2012 05:24

Firstly I must admit that I did not finish your post so I cannot tell you if you are being unreasonable.

However I can tell you this issue will not be resolved on mumsnet. Instead you should try and talk things out for the sake of the project.

Or start an underground fight club and slug it out. Also for the sake of the project.

startwig1982 · 03/09/2012 06:25

I got a bit lost with who's who and what was going on but I think the long and short of it is that you ought to find new people to work with you and assert your authority a bit more.
Tell these other people to get lost and start afresh.

TyrannoWearsGoldKnickers · 03/09/2012 09:36

Susan sounds like a nobber. The bloke sounds like a nobber. Katie sounds like a wet blanket. You sound like a doormat (sorry).

It does sound a bit 'but it's my game and Susan's trying to take over'.

If you can't work with her then don't.

scarletforya · 03/09/2012 09:47

They sound like a bunch of assholes tbh OP. You can't ' need' Susans skills that badly to put up with that. I'm also baffled as to how you think she has any political skills after the carry on of her during your project, she seems to me to be totally devoid of any kind of intelligence. Too much ego.

You should keep your own ideas and execute them yourself. The other lot sound like they want to play grown up games but are not quite sure how.

Gumby · 03/09/2012 09:58

So it's all voluntary?
Ie no one is getting paid?

Why do they all want in on it then?!

Paiviaso · 03/09/2012 10:37

I personally think Susan just wants to take over the project and put her name on it. You know she can be a bully, and here she is in her finest bullying form.

It sounds like you do need to be more assertive, making it very clear to anyone involved from here on out you are the project manager, and all ideas must be approved by you. And follow through with this!

I can't believe you are still considering using Susan. She is not there to help you, she is there to help herself. Forgot involving these 3 people in your project, they all sound rather useless/undermining, and continue on the best you can.

dysfunctionalme · 03/09/2012 10:56

Susan is a total bitch.

I think you need to sack them all and get your project back on track.

What the heck is this project that everyone is so het up about?

broodyandpoor · 03/09/2012 10:59

susan sounds like she is not a friend at all and for your own happiness susan needs to be booted out of your ether- and sharpish! Grin

Pendeen · 03/09/2012 11:11

"So it's all voluntary?"
"Ie no one is getting paid?"

"Why do they all want in on it then?!"

My thoughts as well.

Is this a Lottery-funded project with the potential to give everyone involved wide media exposure and future business opportunities?

If not, what on earth is all the fuss about?

InspiredToBoot · 03/09/2012 11:28

Get Susan out! Get Susan out!

pinkdelight · 03/09/2012 11:57

Am probably a bit confused - a lot depends on what kind of project this is. For instance, it would make sense for these Kates and Susans to make out it is 'their' project, if they are using their contacts and/or trying to influence people to help the project. If you are getting them on board at a professional (albeit unpaid) level, then they aren't like interns who are calling people on your behalf, so of course they would be talking to people about the project in a way that implied they had some stake in it. I don't see why people need to know that it's 'yours', as long as the work contributes to the project's goals.

Beyond that, it just seems like a lack of shared understanding and possibly a personality clash with this husband, who may be an interfering tosser or who may have been genuinely trying to help and just disagreed with you, perhaps with good reason, how are we to tell?

It's rarely easy to work with people, especially when it's a voluntary situation and they can feel the need for more gratitude/respect. In this case it sounds fraught with difficulty so best thing is to move on and do it yourself, or find other people to help and be really really clear on the parameters next time.

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