to think apple are contentious!

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after taking Samsung to court over copy right stating that Samsung have abused the law and copied the i phone. Or are apple just a bit gutted that Samsung have made an equally good product which means apple no longer have the phone market and have to be competitive with their prices.
I for one refuse to pay the silly price tag apple used to charge for i phone & feel that other smart phones (namely the galaxy range) are just as good yet cheaper and with the android market & Google play I would be a mug to buy into apple.
has anyone read apples ridiculous claims for suing Samsung?

Mrs -I was aware that apple had the patent but I thought it was found to be nonsensical, and as such was thrown out of the case? Prepared to be wrong.

I know that there were three pages of patents (about 35 patents in total) in the final judgment for apple. Not entirely sure of which patents were held and which were dismissed.

Tbh, It the whole thing strikes me as a bit of a pissing contest between the two companies. They both dominate the market. Rumour has it that google (who are firmly on samsungs side) are now going to be in dispute with apple over softwar.

I really dislike Apple, there isn't a big enough difference in the quality of their products (or any at all) to justify the price tag. On top of that, all the Apple products I've had the misfortune to use have been temperamental, faulty pieces of crap.

Mrs -I was aware that apple had the patent but I thought it was found to be nonsensical, and as such was thrown out of the case? Prepared to be wrong.

Ah sorry. Apologies. I think it was upheld, but is expected to be thrown out on appeal.

I am delighted to stand corrected! Wall Street Journal

Iphone is the best phone i have ever used. It is like a mini laptop.

i have no problem using MN, Facebook and there are loads of free apps and i can access my itunes account so don't have to manually put song onto my phone.

the only downside is trying to figure out how to transfer a photo from the iphone to another branded phone.

I detest the Apple "cult" and its wanton destruction of US manufacturing and jobs. I am saddened that a brilliant software engineer with a PhD would fight to work on a shop floor, sorry, become a "genius" rather than strive for innovation in silicone valley. I detest Apple's business strategies and wish they'd look to Henry Ford. :(

DH has an iPhone, I have a Windows phone. We ended up with a spare android phone, booted it up and...visually at least it is an iPhone but a bit more crap. There are ways of doing things that don't mimic, windows have proved that with their phones, but android is a straight copy visually.

Google wandered in to the mobile market with the attitude that IP is for losers (an attitude they've always taken), blatently copied from other people's OS (All Android manufacturers already pay a set fee to Microsoft for every phone sold - they admit to patent infringment all over the place there) and have just been absolutely hammered for it. The manufacturers are taking the rap because Google won't indemnify them against court action, but this is all about Google and their ridiculous attitude to IP in general. I'm glad they're finally getting burnt for it. I suspect HTC and Motorola are having some very nervous conversations right now which will be including the words "pay off" and "help" and in the case of HTC "Ummm...so how's our Windows phone division doing?"

but this is all about Google and their ridiculous attitude to IP in general

...as opposed to Apple, about which Steve Jobs who is widely quoted as often saying "good artists copy; great artists steal."

And as for developing a revolutionary rectangular device with a touch screen and a grid of icons, presumably you never used a Palm Pilot. Or a Compaq iPaq. Incidentally, certain models of the latter were also phones.

I've just hoofed this quote off Gizmodo because I can't be bothered to write it all out myself.

"There's also a clear distinction between [the great patent wars], which concerns actual, literal patents Apple owns, versus the more general, in-the-ether ideas Jobs references [when using the Picasso quote "good artists copy; great artists steal"]. The Picasso quote speaks to the idea that innovators borrow ideas and an incorporate them into their own work: in this case, he meant that Apple's designers and engineers took all manor of life experiences and used them to make Apple products fresh and innovative. As opposed to the "stealing" he referenced in the press release, which is literally taking a patented technology that somebody owns."

So it's a diference between "stealing" (taking and making your own, i.e. taking an idea and making it better) and "copying" (straight up copy with no original thought on the part of the copier)

Apple don't claim to be the original smartphone maker. They pay Nokia a percentage for use of patents that they use. They pay Microsoft a pretty healthy chunk too.

I had a Palm device back in the day. There are similarities but they're not the same, while Android looks like a cheap knock-off of the iPhone. Everyone is taking issue with the whole "boxes with rounded corners" patent, but that is the legally patented system of displaying an icon on the iPhone. It's something which makes the iPhone display distinctive. Samsung didn't need to do that. They could have used a method similar to RIM (or Palm) where the icon was stand alone pictures in varying shapes, or they could have done circles, or even boxes with square corners, hearts, flowers, whatever. They chose to use exactly the same design for regular icons as Apple, presumably in order to look as much like an iPhone as possible. This is a pretty good example of why it's a design knock-off while this is the Palm Pre in comparison - similar definitely, especially in layout - a grid is a grid and no one has tried to patent that, but there is a big difference in icons.

mrs my post was meant to read I am prepared to be wrong! My original post looks really arrogant which was not what I had intended.

I had heard that the phone shape patent was not able to be used because you can't patent a shape, but it appears that info was wrong and you can patent a phone shape. Makes it sound a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

I had heard that the phone shape patent was not able to be used because you can't patent a shape, but it appears that info was wrong and you can patent a phone shape.
You can't patent it in Europe or Asia, but you can in the US if you are Apple.

Was really confused then wondering what could possibly be contentious about apples