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To ask, if Britain's no longer 'Great' why do so many people want to live here?

61 replies

Liketochat1 · 27/08/2012 10:19

I asked this on another forum a while back and had an interesting response. So thought I'd ask here...!
I hear so much moaning about life here in Britain; benefits system, the NHS, the government, the roads...etc etc etc... If it's really so bad though, why do so many people want to live here?

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Silibilimili · 27/08/2012 10:39

Let's all move o Sweden! Grin

PedanticPanda · 27/08/2012 10:39

Kladdkaka you get Jeremy Kyle USA now - try and keep up Wink

Kladdkaka · 27/08/2012 10:41

Yes and the USA also have a problem with immigration. See, you proved my point. It's all Jezza's fault.

PostBellumBugsy · 27/08/2012 10:42

..... because apart from some very small-minded people like Bulldog, the majority of GB is tolerant & accepting of different cultures. Because GB is alot less corrupt than many other countries (even other 1st world countries). Because we have a fair legal system, because we have a temperate climate, because we have a free at the point of delivery health service, because GB is a meritocracy, because education is free, because there is freedom of speech, no rabbies, no killer insects, no killer animals. I could go on & on. GB is far from perfect - but it has alot of genuinely great aspects to it.

Trills · 27/08/2012 10:42

The people saying that "Britain is no longer Great" and different to the people who do not live here but want to.

So the answer could be "because people have different opinions".

The people you quote as saying that Britain is not "Great" are probably comparing it to some ideal, they're not saying it's not good and not saying that they'd rather live somewhere else.

So the answer could be "because Britain is still pretty good" or even "because nowhere else is much better".

worldcitizen · 27/08/2012 10:43

The USA having a problem with immigration Hmm

bamboostalks · 27/08/2012 10:44

The winters are v v cold compared to here. I love GB though and wouldn't live anywhere else.

happybubblebrain · 27/08/2012 10:44

I think just as many people want to leave don't they? Immigration about matches emmigration every year and our population has been around the 60 million mark for at least 3 decades.

Everyone should be able to live where they want. It's nonsense that we can't, well the rich can, but everyone else is supposed to stay put.

NameChangeGalore · 27/08/2012 10:45

I don't know...because you have a decent chance at walking down the street without being exploded to smithereens? Because if you do get exploded or hurt, you don't have to pay millions to the doctors to make you better? Because you can walk down the street wearing whatever the hell you want and won't get judged? Loads more reasons but I can't be bothered to tap them in.

worldcitizen · 27/08/2012 10:48

People who usually say take the Great out of Great Britain, as it is not great anymore....

sorry but THAT is a typical tripe expressed by Daily Mail and Sun readers, lots of the typical former hooligan and skinhead type, Brits who are on benefits and living in housing schemes themselves or having tried to get into housing forever and wonder about all the forriners getting it and not them THE DESERVING WHITE ENGLISH RACE

sorry, I am not adding anything useful and intelligent here, but in my experience there is a very special group of people who would exactly word it that wayAngry

Kladdkaka · 27/08/2012 10:53

The USA having a problem with immigration

Did you really not know that? According to the Centre For Immigration Studies a conservative estimate of illegal immigrants is currently over 10 million (more than the entire population). They currently have almost 40 millions immigrants (2/3 of the entire poplulation of Great Britain).

Kladdkaka · 27/08/2012 10:54
  • That should read '10 million (more than the entire population of Sweden)'
JumpingThroughMoreHoops · 27/08/2012 10:56

Eire has a superior benefit system to the UK (according to SIL)

scottishmummy · 27/08/2012 10:59

we have great free healthcare,pretty liberal,adequate benefits
and better than poke in eye wi sharp stick
and compares favorably to other places

scottishmummy · 27/08/2012 11:01

I can imagine al Murray laboring the great Britain point
going on about forriners
and great britsh names

StealthPolarBear · 27/08/2012 11:01

Ooh yes I'd forgotten about the lack of dangerous animals.
Unless of course you live in Essex.

TheVermiciousKnid · 27/08/2012 11:05

You're all wrong. 'They' all come here because 'they' want to read the Daily Mail.

Chandon · 27/08/2012 11:11

Kladkaka, having lived in Malmo in the south of sweden I mainly remember grey drizzly weather from september through march! You must be near Stockholm?

As to Britain, as an immigrant, I love
Clean drinking water
Free healthcare
Free decent schools
Democratically elected government
Women can dress as they like without being groped or verbally abused in the street
The weather is mild, there are seasons
You do not need to bribe the police, most police trustworthy
No armed guards with machine guns in front of shops and malls
...and obviously fish and chips too!

motherinferior · 27/08/2012 11:13

Oh I know, Bulldog, my relatives have brought dreadful, dreadful habits. All that emphasis on education, those terrible contributions to the education and tax systems, that frightful garlic....Shock

Kladdkaka · 27/08/2012 11:17

Chandon, did you know there's a day each year when Swede's gather alone the Skåne border and dig in a symbolic attempt to break it away from Sweden and float it back to Denmark? :o

Halbanoo · 27/08/2012 11:18

The only ones who moan about Britain are those who don't know how good they have it here.

...and this is coming from someone who moved here from broken American another desirable destination for most immigrants...)

AndieMatrix · 27/08/2012 11:18

Ireland does have a much better benefits system but cost of living is much higher and the country is in much more debt.

lovebunny · 27/08/2012 11:26

we've had some great immigration here - all the people who were invited here after the war from the west indies etc to fill jobs and get the economy moving and ugandan asians stimulating the economy through enterprise, for example. think back to the olympic opening ceremony and the celebration of a multicultural community - great, indeed. when my daughter nearly died in childbirth, a team of seventeen nhs medics of various kinds saved her life - amongst the ones i met were black africans, asians, white british...i wouldn't have been without a single one of them, that day.

but i am (reliably, i think) informed that in some parts of the world we are known as 'stupid country', the place where you go for benefits, free health care and free education, a free car (not sure what dodge that is), whilst sending money home to build your nice house for when you retire, and planning to move on to a 'better' country where you can get a really well-paid job! i promise you, people who are not indiginous (sp?) to the uk told me this - i don't know any bnp people and i only ever read the daily mail at my mother's, so i don't see it very often.

someone mentioned afghanistan. a then-friend, from afghanistan, told me a mutual aquaintance had just then been deported but that was ok because she was borrowing someone's passport and coming back the next week! there are lots of reasons for people from afghanistan - Sikhs, for example, are persecuted by Muslims there, and try to leave. i know one Sikh boy who was put on a plane with a stranger, aged fourteen, and dumped in london by the man who he thought would look after him. he did not speak english and had nowhere to go. fortunately, he found his way to a gurdwara. all turned out well in the end thanks to the kindness of two sponsors and his own very hard work - he's a young businessman now, doing well and a permanent resident in the uk, with a passport.

so some people want to come here to survive, and some aren't given any choice, they're just 'getting out'. a young Muslim i know told me his family came here because they couldn't get into america, and another said his family came so they could practice their kind of Islam freely, without being persecuted - he also said something i really liked, which was "we've got a good country here. why spoil it?" i can't remember what means of 'spoiling it' we were discussing at the time, but that sentence stayed with me.

Margerykemp · 27/08/2012 11:32

England may be 'full' but Scotland certainly isn't.

and we're nice to immigrants up here

Krumbum · 27/08/2012 11:36

More people emigrate per year than immigrate to Britain. So your wrong op.