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To be really worried about breaking pregnancy food rules.

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honeytea · 20/08/2012 15:20

I'm 24 weeks pregnant and live in Sweden (I am British but live here) the rules for pregnant women here are very simple, no blue cheese, no Baltic sea fish (too much mercury) and no alcohol. I have been going by these rules.

I read a thread about toxoplasmosis on the pregnancy bord yesterday and I was horrified I had no idea about it :( in the 1st tri I ate loads and loads of strawberries, often bought from fruit stands in the city and eaten right away as a snack (they were one of the only things that stopes me throwing up on the train home) I also went to 2 weddings this summer and at both the meal was slightly rare lamb.

I'm not sure what to do, I feel like I have been so stupid, the attitude here is very relaxed about pregnancy and I have trusted my midwife but now I am convinced I have harmed my DS. I was panicking and up all night.

I have looked into it and I really hope I am immune to it, my mother fed me unpasturised goat milk every day as a baby and we have allways had cats.

Did everyone stick to the pregnancy rules completely?

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MyLastDuchess · 20/08/2012 17:51

Oh and to answer your question ... I don't think I've stuck to the pregnancy rules completely. Probably I've followed the Dutch ones, but if I was in the US I would probably have been taken to court by now for unborn child endangerment Grin.

Remember, stress during pregnancy has been proven to have a negative effect on the baby so if you worry about it too much you are just making it worse Wink

OhDearNigel · 20/08/2012 17:52

I ignored all food rules during pregnancy. DD and I lived to tell the tale.

FallenCaryatid · 20/08/2012 17:54

My grandma told me that raising my arms above my head would strangle the baby in the womb. She was on the phone at the time and tried to make me promise that I wouldn't do anything so reckless.
My mother left the room in hysterics because I was doing a supported headstand in a chair at the time, as part of my pregnancy yoga.

FallenCaryatid · 20/08/2012 17:55

Grandma also wanted me to eat raw liver and drink a bottle of stout a day for the vitamins. T'was what they did in her day. Grin

NPPF · 20/08/2012 17:55

I'm so pleased I was pregnant 22 years ago, things seem to have reached a level of hysteria now that I would have thought science fiction back in 1990.
I don't know how well I'd have coped with the level of stress that so many pregnant women seem to have thrust upon them.

In another 22 years pregnant women will only be allowed to beans and rice with a glass of water ;)

I ignored most of it by the time I got to my 3rd pregnancy. He came out fine.

FallenCaryatid · 20/08/2012 18:01

But only rice that has been fresh boiled in filtered water and served within a ten minute timespan.

FoxyRoxy · 20/08/2012 18:04

I live abroad and was tested for toxo routinely, I was very surprised I didn't have immunity having had cats all my life (who I used to share food with when I was a kid!) and to be honest have always been a bit lax about washing fruit and veg. Anyway, I still eat rare steak, I don't re-wash pre packaged salad and I only started washing strawberries because I found a bug in them! Advice here is simple: no smoking, limit alcohol and raw meat. That's it. I've also eaten Brie, sushi and probably a load of other stuff the NHS guidelines tell me not to.

You're fine, ask for a test if you need to put your mind at ease but the stress you're experiencing is probably more harmful than a few unwashed strawberries!

EauRouge · 20/08/2012 18:05

I think the 'no arms about the head during pregnancy' rule has to be my favourite old wives' tale of all time. How would you get dressed?

WelshMaenad · 20/08/2012 18:06

I followed all the rules with DD, was miserable, and she was a poorly neonate. I ate whatever I wanted with DS (prawns, bagged salad, pate, mould ripened cheese, runny eggs off dodgy burger vans, the odd glass of Wine ) and he was healthy as a horse.

Apply common sense and thou shalt be fine!

FallenCaryatid · 20/08/2012 18:10

'I think the 'no arms about the head during pregnancy' rule has to be my favourite old wives' tale of all time. How would you get dressed?'

Grandma rule number 1, pregnant women don't do anything for themselves ever. She had the original Precious-first-and only-born.

honeytea · 20/08/2012 18:12

My pregnant dutch friend kindly serves up salami when I go round for "bump chat" we also get coffee at the midwife appointment, I went to a fertility clinic and they gave us yummy coffee there too, having said that they give toddlers coffee here so i guess they have to start building up their resistance at some point!

the only thing they are very strict on is alcohol, your not allowed it when you are breast feeding either, might ignore that advice.

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CokeFan · 20/08/2012 18:17

The "no arms above the head rule" is kind of an old wives tale - obviously you can't "strangle" your baby by lifting your arms up but before blood pressure was routinely monitored, if you had low blood pressure then lifting your arms up to e.g. hang out washing could make you pass out.

BlackOutTheSun · 20/08/2012 18:17

'I think the 'no arms about the head during pregnancy'

This was solid medical advice, as pregnant women were not checked for low blood pressure. After hand washing and hanging it out, pregnant women would faint.

Mrsjay · 20/08/2012 19:18

it seems it's not safe to even lie in bed unless you lie on your left side.

Maybe you should just levitate and drink only angel tears until the baby comes Grin stick with your Swedish guidlines they sound sensible enough , and new evidence is coming out that food avoidance is causing babies to have allergies

Shelly32 · 20/08/2012 21:16

I'm sure you'll be fine. I was a hysterical veg/fruit /bagged salad washer and watched everything I ate (even avoided mangoes as apprently women in India eat them to bring on miscarriage. I read up on every possible food that could possibly be harmful. I feel like a bit of a wally now, although it did give me an excuse to eat lots of 'safe' cake!!!

MoonlightandRoses · 20/08/2012 21:32

Ah, on the 'no alcohol' thing - they are not necessarily right when it comes to in pregnancy ( See here ). There is also a good article somewhere in the on-line Guardian archive on the topic.
My Obs certainly didn't have a problem with me having the occasional glass, although I had to insist the midwife put me down as 'occasional drinker' on the stats rather than 'none during pregnancy' (no, I don't know why either as she wouldn't explain...).

However, when it comes to drinking and breastfeeding, it's not that you can't, but you will need to be more careful on the timing as there's no placenta in the way to filter out the alcohol.

Also - congratulations!

fishface2 · 20/08/2012 21:39

I'm so pleased about the Swedish rules. I read the food advice and decided to do limited alcohol and coffee, no pâté and no blue cheese. The swedes and I think alike! None of the rest made any sense. Such a refreshing thread.

PacificDogwood · 20/08/2012 21:47

I know it's been done before, and some of it you have to take with a pinch of salt, but really, relax.
There's enough time to worry yourself sick when you actually have a child Wink.

I genuinely hope this helps, as it puts lots of things in our Elf&Safety culture into perspective:

SURVIVAL

WE WAS BRUNG UP PROPER !

"And we never had a whole Mars bar until 1993"!!! CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY
FRIENDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE
1940's, 50's, 60's and early 70's !
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they
carried us and lived in houses made of asbestos..
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese, raw egg products, loads of bacon and
processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or
cervical cancer.
Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured
lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we
rode our bikes, we had no helmets or shoes, not to mention, the risks we
took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonalds ,
KFC, Subway or Nandos...
Even though all the shops closed at 6.00pm and didn't open on a Sunday,
somehow we didn't starve to death!
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE
actually died from this.
We could collect old drink bottles and cash them in at the corner store and
buy Toffees, Gobstoppers, Bubble Gum and some bangers
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drinks with
sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because........
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back
when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O..K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride
down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses
and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo Wii , X-boxes, no video games at all,
no 999 channels on SKY ,
No video/dvd films,
No mobile phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat
rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
Lawsuits from these accidents.

Only girls had pierced ears!

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us
forever.

You could only buy Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns at Easter time...

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just yelled for them!
Mum didn't have to go to work to help dad make ends meet because we didnt
need to keep up with the Joness!

Not everyone made the rugby/football/cricket/netball team. Those who didn't
had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! Getting into the
team was based on
MERIT
Our teachers used to hit us with canes and gym shoes and throw the
blackboard rubber at us if they thought we weren't concentrating ..
We can string sentences together and spell and have proper conversations
because of a good, solid three Rs education. Our parents would tell us to
ask a stranger to help us cross the road.The idea of a parent bailing us out
if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!

Our parents didn't invent stupid names for their kids like 'Kiora' and
'Blade' and 'Ridge' and 'Vanilla' and 'Tiger'

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO
DEAL WITH IT ALL !

And YOU are one of them!
CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as
kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own
good.
And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave
their parents were.
PS -The big type is because your eyes are not too good at your age anymore

G1nger · 20/08/2012 21:50

I broke way more rules than you. Incidentally, the nhs advice here on meat is that you can have whole cuts like steak rare as long as its sealed/cooked around the edges. It's mince etc that's the problem because of the bacteria that could have infiltrated the meat throughout.

LittlePicnic · 20/08/2012 21:51

I didn't know strawberries were a problem and my two are 2.7 mo and 9 mo. I often forget to wash fruit too and my two are fine. So don't worry. High stress levels in mothers isn't good for the baby re higher cortisol in the baby.

Sassyfrassy · 20/08/2012 22:03

I'm Swedish, and we tend to be really, really keen on safety as a whole. So I would trust the rules personally. With the alcohol, Sweden has a troubled history with alcohol and a complicated attitude to drinking. There was a time when alcohol was strictly rationed and now of course, you can only buy it in the special shops. So, anything related to alcohol is bound to be extremely cautious.

G1nger · 20/08/2012 22:20

By the way, I put my back out trying to follow the laying on the left side advice. After that, I just lay to be comfortable. I suggest you do the same.

Mrsjay · 20/08/2012 22:29

when i was last pregnant 15 yrs ago the advice was no un pasturised (spelling) cheese . prawns and uncooked seafood , oh and pate which I ate sometimes for the iron , and I ate black pudding anything was better than those bloody iron tablets,, why have you all to lie on your left now ?

FoxyRoxy · 20/08/2012 22:34

The lying on the left is apparently to aid blood flow as the vena cava is on the right and can become constricted by lying on your back.

I know this as I've googled, nothing has been said to me by my Ob but then again I'm not in the uk...

Mrsjay · 20/08/2012 22:38

I couldnt lie on my back when i was pregnant made me feel queasy was weird feeling, I guess if you did everything you were 'told' when you are pregnant you wouldnt do anything and just stress,