Is HE being unreasonable? Well, yes, very obviously...

[Trazzletoes]

This article can't get pregnant from rape was brought to my attention today. Obviously 'unreasonable' doesn't even cover it. I genuinely cannot believe that, in this day and age, someone can seriously have these views. Or even think that there is anything other than 'legitimate' rape. Seriously...

What a fucking tool.

Well, obviously babies are found under gooseberry bushes. Or brought by storks. Occasionally they might be discovered in cabbage patches. So, obviously, rape cannot result in pregnancy.

He's basically saying "if your body isn't traumatised enough to spontaneously miscarry, then you weren't legitimately raped".

:S 'forcible rape'

What other types of rape is there!

Or "if you'd fought back properly, you'd have received enough injuries for your reproductive organs to be temporarily damaged. Being paralysed with fear? Not acceptable. Believing your rapists' threats, and wanting to survive? Not acceptable."

I'd love to hear some of our American poster's take on this.
I mean we in the UK have some utter horrors, but I don't believe anybody that thick or with that point of view would ever get voted in, they'd be on the fringes with the rest of the loons.
But like someone said above, he's ahead in the polls

Hmmm.

I think we've got some people in there who like their own magical version of reality.

I'll try to find a link later but there was an elderly judge a couple of years back who spouted the belief that just as men need to orgasm to produce a baby, so do women, and therefore if a woman gets pregnant through rape she must have orgasmed and therefore enjoyed it, ergo it wasn't rape. How a person could get to 82, and become a judge, with that level of ignorance is really astounding.

They used to believe that in bits of Europe during medieval times. Tch.

To add to the list of similarities between America and medieval Europe....

Pregnancy more likely to occur from rape

I assume the judge had retired by then?

I wonder if it's a belief he's always held, or whether he read an article in Red or the Daily Mail on how to increase your chances of conception, and misunderstood it.

That's it. Thank you Mamma. It was by the Gottschalles!

What a mysogynistic evil bastard.
Yet we all know damn well that if/when they get their mistresses pregnant then they cant get them to an abortion clinic fast enough!

HTH

This man is already a congressman, by the way. And he sits on the house science committee. That's not a typo - he's the science guy. Fuckwad.

Did you see George Galloway's contribution on the nature of consent? Apparently if it's been given once you don't need out for each subsequent 'insertion', even if the insertee is asleep. So we have politicians in this particular dodgy zone too.

LadyBeagleEyes

^I'd love to hear some of our American poster's take on this.
I mean we in the UK have some utter horrors, but I don't believe anybody that thick or with that point of view would ever get voted in, they'd be on the fringes with the rest of the loons.
But like someone said above, he's ahead in the polls shock^

Galloway's been making some cheery rapesque comments today too. Obviously, he's on the fringes with the rest of the loons, but he still got voted in.

Jinks, flatpackhamster!

Believe it or not, my religion teacher (catholic) tried to convince us (a class of 15 year olds) of the same thing when we were discussing abortion.

The Evangelical movement in the US was inspired by the Catholic Church's position on abortion in the 70's or 80's so you see a lot of the same lies and justifications for the inexcusable and ridiculous.

I was just wondering on the American POV flatpack
That's all.
doesn't mind Gorgeous George

I was brought up Catholic. I walked out on it at 19. The Catholic religion HATES women. Everything is always the womans fault no matter what. Unfortunately my mother still beleives. She wants me to go on hols to Italy with her (her home country) but i dont want to go. The mysogyny and sexism and woman hatred out there is astounding. I cant deal with it. I watched my female cousins wedding DVD and my male cousin (her eldest brother) kept and kept banging on about how shed FINALLY found a man (at 40 is what the intimation seemed like to me) Ugh i cant stand it.

LadyBeagleEyes, here's what Galloway said:

"Even taken at its worst, if the allegations made by these two women were true, 100% true, and even if a camera in the room captured them, they don't constitute rape.

"At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it. And somebody has to say this.

"Let's take woman A. Woman A met Julian Assange, invited him back to her flat, gave him dinner, went to bed with him, had consensual sex with him. Claims that she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something which can happen.

"I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion. Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, "do you mind if I do it again?".

"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."

That is dodgy ground by any standards, surely?

I heard about this guy from an American today - she is equally pissed off, don't think he will get any votes from her.

So, let's imagine George goes to bed with a woman and has lots of lovely consensual sex. During the course of this consensual sex, George agrees to some object, finger, virator, etc, being inserted into his back passage. Nothing wrong of course, it's all part of the "sexual game."

In the middle of the night George awakes to find the woman busily shoving the item back and forth into his back passage. It takes him totally by surprise and it hurts.

Does George:

a) Think "Ah well, all part of the "sex game," I did it earlier so that means I've given consent for it to happen as many times as this person wants."

or

b) Panic like fuck because someone is using his body, hurting him, invasively, without his permission.

If your answer is not A, George, you're a fucking hypocrite.