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To want to move to Australia ? Need advice

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maxbradbury · 19/08/2012 19:02

Cannot find suitable forum so posting here because of high traffic.

DH is a qualified gas engineer and we are considering a move to Australia. I dont know anybody who has done this and would like to know if anybody has done this or knows someone who has so i can get a insite of life there such as cost of living, lifestyle, education and how easy it is to get a job. Any helpful comment appreciated. Smile

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lisianthus · 20/08/2012 14:38

OP, check out the Poms in Oz website. It's really good. Living costs will differ from state to state and also depending on where in a state you are moving to. Groceries, for example, will be more expensive in remote areas, but rent will be cheaper (unless you are moving to far north west WA, in which case it will be MUCH more expensive).

A good way of checking grocery costs is to go to the Coles (one of the two main supermarkets) website www.coles.com.au and do a sample shop of the sort of things you would tend to buy. Bear in mind Australians eat differently. There is a lot less availability of ready meals and so people cook from scratch more, and eat different things. Chinese/indonesian/vietnamese food is eaten much more often than Indian food and Indian food and ingredients are harder to find. This sort of thing will affect the costs of your grocery shopping.

Good luck!

honeytea · 20/08/2012 14:40

The connotations attached to the word pom are not allways nice. I'm not saying that it is very ofensive, I am saying that is is unnecessary, Brit is a fairly obvious shortening of British. Yes people use the word paki in the uk, but those people are racist. I have never heard the word skippy used, it makes me think of a prawn flavoured snack not an Australian person.

The other possibility for the word pom I was told was the association with pomegranet because the British people burnt easily, as far as I am concerned teasing people because of the colour of their skin is not ok.

I heard the word abo used in Melbourne and Sydney, more so up in queensland.

auschopper · 20/08/2012 14:46

Being an Aussie who has lived in the UK for the last 8 years I think I can safely talk about the issues here..

Firstly, some people have said Australia lacks culture... where compared to here? What culture is here and exactly what sort of things are you referring to as culture? The only culture I am aware of is going out and getting slaughtered as much as possible, or going to the same place for a holiday, and as long as there are other British around, it makes it all good.

For the ones that say, there is no culture... what exactly are you talking about, and what do you think makes up this "culture"..

Australia is multicultural, and is a mixture of all different people from different places, and if you look around, you have so much diversity of culture. Kind of makes me wonder where people went and what people did who have been and say there is no culture. The larger cities have a vast range of cultures, and everyone is proud of the different cultures, and I know as an Australian, I love the fact that Australia is so diverse. It just isn't "one" culture, it is many...

The thing is, Australia doesn't have much in the way of "white" history... but it has a lot of aboriginal history... it might not be the "same" but it is still very interesting and also part of Australia.

Let me give examples.. Melbourne would have to be one of the most diverse culture cities in the country. You have Vietnamese with a really wide range of places to go and eat, markets, celebrations. You also have a massive Greek population as well. The food is amazing, and everyone gets in and participates in all sorts of celebrations.

Perth, is where most English seem to go, and well, it is the worlds most isolated city. Being australian, I even feel isolated there, but it is a great place. Kind of think of it as Benidorm, or where every other Englishman/woman seem to take holidays. Great if you are into that sort of thing.

Sydney, is expensive, busy, and well, not sure why everyone seems to be attracted to living there. Definitely not on my cards of places I want to live that is for sure. Very pretty harbour, and the diversity there is also amazing like Melbourne. Great place to visit, just not great to live. Kind of like London really... and when I use to work in Sydney, I would always just fly out and fly back the same day..

Brisbane, is to me, one of the best cities in Australia. I guess to me it is big enough to have loads happening, but you can escape it if you want. You have nice beaches north and south, and a few close by, but the diversity here is also amazing. To me, if you were going to move to Australia, I would honestly pick Brisbane. It has an international airport, and to me is just a lovely liveable city.

Adelaide... not much happens in Adelaide, but still a great city... kind of like a big country town...

Hobart... pretty much the same sort of weather as the UK... really pretty scenery, and a great place to visit... only isolated if you make it feel that way.

North Queensland... is warm, (same weather as the summer here, but during the winter)... most cities are located on the coast, and you have to be careful here, as some towns are more expensive than others, due to the proximity to the mines and lack of housing.

Costs of living... when I first moved here 8 years ago, I found the costs of living here absolutely crazy, and didn't get very much for my money. Some places are of course going to be expensive in Australia, depending on where you live, and how close to the city you live. Generally, it is cheaper to buy, rather than rent. The thing is, that Australia is booming, and the economy is in a much better shape than here... and also don't forget that it is a much larger country as well, and it costs more to move things around. Fuel is cheaper than here though too.. There are swings and roundabouts... some things cheaper, some things dearer.. Don't forget it is a much larger place than the UK, so it is going to cost you more to get around.

As for racism..... racist people exist everywhere... and to be honest, I have actually found racism more active here than Australia. It is a complicated thing in Australia... and I will attempt to say why... Firstly, the British came to Australia, and brought with them a class system, where they saw the Aboriginal as slaves and less than them.

I want to make it very clear from the outset, I believe no matter what your colour you are a person, and should be treated as such, I don't care if you are black or white, or in between you are a person.

There were loads of issues, which needed to be worked out and Australia is still going through that process. There is a term called "The Stolen Generation".. and will attempt to explain what this was all about. The thing was that, the aboriginal community were mixing with the white/asian/everyone else who weren't aboriginal. Sometimes, and in a majority of cases, the aboriginals females were raped, and had children, which were mixed race. The thing was though, that at the time, these children were not identified as being aboriginal nor white. I know of cases where in the aboriginal communities, these children and their mother were put isolated into separate parts of the community... they weren't accepted as being aboriginal... but they didn't really have anywhere else to go. Then the god fearing Christians came in, and setup camp in these communities... Now basically the government at the time, saw what was going on... where these kids weren't seem as being aboriginal, but white, and decided to give them an education. Maybe wrong decision, but at the time, it was a lot more different to it is nowadays. They then took the children who were "half cast", and took them to the mainly Chrsitian (Roman Catholic) schools in various places to give them an education.

Mainly at the time, and still to this day, the aboriginal don't really participate in education, and don't see the point in it. Mostly as well, the parents live in disgraceful conditions, and are drunk. There are a lot more aboriginal communities who are now becoming completely dry, and are on the road to recovery, but they are scampered sometimes by people wanting to make a quick buck, and the reluctance of some of the aboriginal community to become what they consider "white" Australian. One of my friends use to go around and build houses for the aboriginal communities, and to me it is quiet disgraceful at how much money was thrown into this. They would provide housing, cars, food and everything else, only to find a month later that the car was sold, the house completely torched and destroyed. Alcohol plays a massive factor in this demise, but then when it is controlled and not able to be purchased, claims are then made about human rights.

It would be like here... if for example, a none "white" British community were to receive more money on the dole than a "white" British person. Have their housing paid for, if they showed interest in playing a musical instrument, have it purchased for them, and then after a week giving it up, and selling it. But also, the people who represent that community, giving themselves massive wages and taking most of the money for themselves. In a nut shell that is basically what is happening in Australia.

Now we are making the move back to Australia... and am looking forward to it...

lisianthus · 20/08/2012 14:56

Heading back to Brisvegas then, auschopper?

BENIDORM??!! how very dare you! Grin

squoosh · 20/08/2012 14:56

Firstly, racism exists everywhere.

Secondly, the Australian situation is interesting as out of all ?white? developed world nations they are the ones dealing with a most recent ill treatment of indigenous people. If you look at native American communities in USA they too are a people who have huge problems with serious alcohol abuse. This isn't a coincidence.

I sense a definite tone of impatience from you towards the Aborigine communities as if they should be able to just buck up their ideas. I think healing a people that has been treated in such a horrific way as they takes a little more than a few decades of reparations.

auschopper · 20/08/2012 15:00

lisianthus : not sure yet, but do like the idea of Brisvegas..

Benidorm - was the first place I thought of to be honest..

MarshaBrady · 20/08/2012 15:09

The situation with aboriginal people is complex and very sad.

Who's to say that they even want what all the people who settled in their land want?

A starting point I think would be to give them a voice. It's can't be about saying get a job do what we do.

They may be doing this I don't know, I'm sure someone knows more about policies than I do I haven't been in Aus for 14 years.

lisianthus · 20/08/2012 15:11

The place that reminded me most of Perth was Nice, tbh. Same climate, just more Italians, people from the former Yugoslavia and Indonesian/Malay people and fewer French people. i can't wait to go back. Am dying for a decent nasi lemak with lots of ikan bilis.

Apols to any people from Benidorm- I've never been there and was just winding up auschopper. I'm sure it is lovely!

I've heard lots of good things about Brissie, and I love the gorgeous old Queenslander houses but I'm a real wuss in the tropics. Desert or mediterranean heat for me!

auschopper · 20/08/2012 15:17

lisianthus : Yeah, love the old Queenslander houses... the tropics can take a while to get use to but so can living in the UK... The problem with living down south of Aust is the changeable weather..

If you don't mind a bit of swearing, this is entertaining..

Chopper does the weather..

MarshaBrady · 20/08/2012 15:17

Give them a voice sounds a bit crap. But I think it's going to take generations of healing as you say.

There is loads of culture in Aus, well, in the cities. When people say there isn't it's just that usual thing that people say about Australia.

auschopper · 20/08/2012 15:22

I guess the thing that is about "there is no culture in australia" to me generally means... it isn't like the UK... That is right... that is what culture is all about... different people doing different things.. and it ain't going to be the same...

The Aboriginal thing is going to take a long time... and I don't think it is going to move forward until both sides accept that they are all people, and no discrimination between whether you are black or white, or anything else. It is when there is distinction being made where I think the problem is. The thing is though, things happened well in the past, and well, they weren't very flash, but I had nothing to do with it.. It is a right mess. I don't know whether or not to say you are Australian first..and then your culture/background second is a bad thing...

FreudianSlipper · 20/08/2012 15:39

if you grown up in london or another big city here you have so much obvious history all around you along with a big choice of museums, art galleries, theatre, music venues of all sorts and the architecture itself tells of the history of the place. history of australia is harder to see due to the country being so large adn felt more donimated if you are a visitor by the history of the last 200 years

it was not something i ever thought i would miss it just did not occur to me but I did very much

i really loved sydney more so than other cities (not been to perth). seeing cocktoos on the way to work never cease to amaze me i was not so keen on brisbane but i like bustling cities fantastic beaches

MarshaBrady · 20/08/2012 15:51

I do prefer London and don't want to move back. But yes you're right it takes a while to adjust to see the different culture.

auschopper · 20/08/2012 16:42

Yeah, depends what you are into I guess... you aren't going to find a 400 year old cathedral with a load of history in Australia, but what you will see is pretty nice scenery.

If you are use to and like big cities... Sydney is it.. it is a pretty place, but somewhere I wouldn't like to live, but then again I come from the country. Too busy for me.. but then again, there are loads of people who like that kind of thing.

MarshaBrady · 20/08/2012 16:46

I do love going back for the beauty of it all and the beaches every couple of years though for sure. It is stunning.

auschopper · 20/08/2012 17:15

I guess that is what I miss about Australia.. is the beaches, and the warm weather.. and going bush... as well as being able to lay out under the stars and actually release how small we are compared to the rest of what is out there..

To me, I love food... and loads of different variety.. one thing I do miss is the seafood, and getting different varieties of fish other than Cod. I miss the Vietnamese food in Melbourne, (Footscray is where you want to head), and the Japanese in Brisbane.

If you are into your food, you will love it..

MarshaBrady · 20/08/2012 17:23

I crave that sand and the blue water and the warmth. And the big spaces, seeing the horizon. But I get back to Paddington on the Heathrow Express and take a taxi through all those gorgeous streets and it feels so good. Even the winter air.

Both are pretty good really.

WillNeverGetALicence · 20/08/2012 17:34

auschopper I am not sure about that Chopper weather clip - surely that is just reinforcing the worst Australian stereotype Hmm
Foul mouthed yob with annoying accent and limited vocabulary Grin

I quite like this one though -

slowestwildebeast · 20/08/2012 17:56

Chopper weather is great!

auschopper · 20/08/2012 19:09

WillNeverGetALicence : Yeah, kind of like saying really that all scots are like Frankie Boyle..

We does speaks different to the rest of ya's... but never had anyone say they hate the accent...

Auschopper -> runs off to practice his scous accent..

GreenBeer · 20/08/2012 19:54

Ausschopper thanks. Your earlier post was pretty spot on (apart from Brissey, found that city very boring!)

Reading these posts make me question moving home...I'm completely over London and want DD to be raised in Aus but have I got my rose tinted goggs on when I think of home?? Then I read posts like yours and I think nope, Australia is a great place to live! But OP it is a long way from the UK and very different from here. Just don't expect it to be 'like here but there' type thing Smile

GreenBeer · 20/08/2012 19:56

Auschopper even!

auschopper · 20/08/2012 20:40

Yeah, maybe rose tinted glasses, but I know that every time I come back, I am sad to have left.

Have lived in pretty much every city at some stage.. Like brisvegas mainly I think because it is a big country town.. although now it is a lot bigger because of the mexicans.

I like Brisbane, mainly because from there you can get to places pretty quick... Down to the Gold Coast or up to the Sunshine Coast, or out west to Toowoomba.. depends where you go for night life.. the Valley is pretty good, although use to be a pretty dodgy place to go.

It isn't as busy as Sydney, but like the idea of being able to get somewhere without 50,000 other people having the same idea.. :)

tryingtoleave · 21/08/2012 00:21

wow honey:

'which I said to her, actually my great grandparents were not prisoners your were so don't call me pom'

And you say we're ignorant! A large proportion of Australians (I should go look up the numbers) are immigrants or the children of immigrants (as I am). That is why Australia is particularly multicultural. Very few can trace a linneage back to the convicts (and those who can are usually proud of it - seeing themselves as the downtrodden victims of the British class/economic system).

Australia was not invaded by Australians but by the British. You might know about the British Empire? Britain was rich because it had colonies all over the world, for her benefit, to get goods, create markets, send away the dregs of society. THe people living in Australia now, Australians, have come from all over the world and are certainly trying to deal with these intractable problems. Why can't Britain fix up its underclass, that I'm often reading about on mn threads? Because it is not that easy to change dysfunctional communities, no matter how much money you throw at it.

And yes, it is common in Australia to use words like wog, skip, pom without any malice behind them. If anything they are fairly affectionate. Abo is different, because it does have pejorative overtones, and most educated people would not use it, in much the same way that I'm guessing Paki is a problem in England. But you would say 'Aussie', a similar abbreviation, and not presume that there is a pejorative aspect or that it is an outlawed word. So, obviously, what makes a word problematic is the history of how it has been used, not simply the fact that it is an abbreviation. If the history in the Australian context doesn't have the racism you are imputing to the words, then you shouldn't immediately presume that they are derogative words.

FrizzyFrazzled · 21/08/2012 03:54

applauds tryingtoleave