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Manners Maketh Man - or AI/WBU to Not Understand This Attitude???

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rockinhippy · 13/08/2012 14:10

Back Ground - Very long time friend of mine & DHs - he does have his good qualities, but can also be a bit of a knob at times, considers himself "highly intellectual" & can as a result be prone to looking down his nose at others as a result, my DH & many friends includedHmm. He does tend to hang around with younger people these days & plays the part of the "troubled creative writer" to a tee - most of his old friends put this down to insecurity & also that he can get away with it amongst a younger, less worldly wise crowd, but we all do still love to see him, even if we don't agree with his scrounging, pseudo intellectual life style - apparently he's too intelligent for normal work, lost more jobs than you can count & even when he has been pushed into studying something he would be great at, such as teaching, he soon finds a reason to duck out of it. Generally we don't see much of him any more, but despite his faults we all (wider group) do love to see him when we do - this week was one of those occasions - a big get together for another old friends birthday.

After we left, several of us headed to a local pub to meet up with others - this friend comes too - telling us he's meeting a woman later at another pub, but stressing about not knowing where this other pub is, so gets woman to meet him at same pub we are all in - others leave , so just us & DD left (afternoon)- he's always skint & prone to scrounging beer, but as he didn't ask DH to buy him a drink this time, but as always only had enough for 1 drink - DH bought him a pint when he went to the bar - because he was enjoying his company, knew he was skint & wanted too.

All fine - except DH is very tall & can see above a partition the rest of us can't - he sees the woman friend is to meet walking along street towards the pub door - she's on her phone - friend checks his phone - gets up - grabs full pint DH has just bought for him & without saying a word - & heads outside to the tables out there - DH sees him sit out there with woman.

We were all, including DD Shock at the blatant bad manners - DH was pretty angry as he's made a point of not buying friend drinks for a long while because of his world owes me attitude - he fully intended to tell friend what he thought of him at a later time, but we relaxed, ate, drank & then got up to leave - friend returns to our table at this point introduces us to Woman - who DH knew vaguely - makes a point of grabbing the tableHmm

DH did say he thought he'd redeemed himself a bit by at least coming back to say good bye & introduce us to his female friend - but it didn't get passed either DD of myself that he would see DH get up & put his jacket on & outside was now cold, so he was really only after the table - so I was still p'd off with him - so later tried to ring & ended up texting him how rude I thought he had behaved & that perhaps he should think about apologising to DH.

He replied that he had no clue what he had done wrong, didn't think he had done anything, but he apologised if he offended us in any way - I did speak with him & told him what he had done & he still didn't get how rude his behaviour was - I found myself having to put him straight that DH wasn't buying his company with the beerHmm, but that a simple, "thank you, but will you excuse me I need to go & meet X outside" would have been enough.

He apologised, but STILL didn't get itShock - he's in his 50s, so IMHO should know betterHmm

AIBU ??

(migraine weather here, so please excuse typos etcBlush

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diddl · 13/08/2012 14:14

YANBU to not understand.

That said-he sounds like a self centred twat so YWBU to be surprised!

RubyFakeNails · 13/08/2012 14:15

I think you're overreacting. You've pretty much said he is prone to rudeness and scrounging. It wasn't exactly polite but after all its 1 pint and he saw who he was meeting. He was obviously more interested in meeting the woman so I would just take the hint.

maddening · 13/08/2012 14:19

I thought you must know my ex but he is late 30's - these people seldom change so was silly of your dh to expect anything other than what happened

geegee888 · 13/08/2012 14:27

YANBU but he probably needed multiples of you to point it out to him in his twenties. Instead they probably just started avoiding him and not inviting him to things.

rockinhippy · 14/08/2012 09:10

Thanks everyone, nice to know I'm not going mad & our moral code isn't as skewed as friend seemed to think Grin

& no Ruby not overreacting, though I probably should have started with "out of curiosity" or similar - I'm not so bothered really, nor surprised by his actions, but a bit gobsmacked that when confronted with it, even though he apologised, he really just didn't seem to "get it" at all Confused he took no ownership of his actions, but apologised IF he had offended anyone & insisted he couldn't see the problem - though I think you are spot on with your last line - he is VERY immature in his attitude over women - probably why he's still single Grin
YANBU but he probably needed multiples of you to point it out to him in his twenties. Instead they probably just started avoiding him and not inviting him to things

gee you are spot on there - though weirdly he wasn't so bad in his 20s, but he had the rock god thing going on, so he probably got away with it a bit more, he definitely had better manners back then though - but come his late 30s his manners seemed to disappear with his hair - so yes he doesn't get the invites any more & I know several old friends actively avoid him - think we probably will too from now onGrin

thanks again :)

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danteV · 14/08/2012 11:06

Why did you text him to tell him he was rude and your dh was annoyed?
He sounds rude, however since you all love him so much, why would he change?

lovebunny · 14/08/2012 11:13

if he's asperger's, it won't even have occurred to him that he did anything wrong.

if you want him to behave in certain ways, you'll need to tell him, or he'll never know.

kimjoy · 14/08/2012 11:38

MANNERS are a useful way of deal with strangers. No panacea though. Salesmen tend to have good manners. Even the dodgy ones.

rockinhippy · 14/08/2012 11:40

Thanks Love but he's definitely not A/S, we are all very used to AS spectrum, so that would have been picked up on before -

its far more likely he thinks we might show up his intellectual credentials in his mind at least - spot the bullshit he spouts with his young friends would be more accurate though - but its well known he does have a bit of a habit of thinking he's better than a lot of our group because he chose education over work (perpetual student) - DH been one, though this is the first time I have witnessed/been party to it

& dante because its a good way to contact someone who isn't answering their phone :)

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