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AIBU?

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AIBU to never talk to my parents again?

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iMoniker · 13/08/2012 06:00

I am not sure what to do.

My parents and I have not spoken for over a year. The history (as briefly as I can put it) is:

My childhood was fraught with verbal and physical abuse. My mother was depressed and resorted to drink. My father was violent and often hit my mother and sometimes me. I saw lots of hideous fights between them ? most often drink fuelled, I used to cower away for the most part, but if I did try to intervene, I often got hit/dragged about by my hair or verbally abused by one or both of them. I witnessed a suicide attempt by my mother. My parents broke up and reconciled many times.

When I got older it eased off. My parents calmed down, made some money and became quite respectable. I moved overseas and during the years we lived on separate continents we were all quite happy with the relationship/status quo.

My father is a controlling man. He likes to do things his way and does not conceive of putting himself out for anybody else. We had a huge falling out in 2004 because I felt that he doesn?t really care. This falling out followed on from my parents? move back to the UK ? they had lived overseas for many years. They moved back to the UK under duress to escape financial ruin and restarted their lives in the UK. It made my father very bitter and he had a huge sense of entitlement. My mother is a shell of a person. She has put up with years of my fathers? narcissistic behaviour and hidden behind a wine bottle. The problem is that she is an aggressive drunk ? it exacerbates her depression and makes her very unpredictable. She tried to commit suicide again in 2001. By 2004 in the face of a myriad of my own personal problems, I cut contact with my parents for 2 years. We reconciled in 2006 but it was tentative and never felt natural.

In 2008 I moved with my DH and kids to Australia. We maintained a ?relationship? with my parents, it was tense though and never really felt natural. We were all going through the motions. Despite this, I made plans in 2011 to visit the UK to see my parents and grandfather for Xmas. My parents made it very clear from the beginning that they didn?t think it was a good idea. They thought it would be too cold ? unfortunately December is the only time my children get a long holiday and I couldn?t imagine coming to the UK for 2 weeks. I decided we?d make the most of a winter holiday and booked us to go to Finland for a week on the way there and to finish the trip in Paris on the way back. We had accommodation in a lovely part of London for the duration of our stay in the UK. As we were arriving in the UK on 23rd December, I proposed that my parents visit us in London for a few days (2 hour drive), then we?d all go back to where they live for another 10 days ? with us staying in a hotel. My parents refused to travel to London. I then offered for my parents to accompany us to Paris for a week ? we thought it would be lovely to share the time together as a family ? my father refused ? to quote him ?he couldn?t think of anything worse than going to Paris?.

This was the last straw, I had spent $20k on this trip and they wouldn?t even let us stay with them. Let alone participate! I cracked and told my father that we wouldn?t be seeing them. We ended up going to the UK, we did not see my parents and we have not spoken for more than a year.

My father sent me an email last week ? asking if we could reconcile ? no questions asked. I don?t want to. AIBU?

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earlyriser · 13/08/2012 07:54

Her parents thought December wouldn't be a good idea because it would be "too cold". I took this to mean too cold for the grandchildren used to the warmth of Australia.

GhouliaYelps · 13/08/2012 08:01

Not a tourist Hmm I have lived in London for 30 years

ImperialBlether · 13/08/2012 08:03

I think your parents objected to your visit because they weren't in control of it, OP. What kind of parent wouldn't take every opportunity to see their child/grandchildren if they are living abroad. I'd be beside myself with excitement.

I think it's probably more healthy for you to remain detached whilst not completely ignoring them. I'd reply to your dad's message in a couple of weeks saying,

"Hi, yes, no problem with a reconciliation. I think there will always be problems between us because of the way things were when I was a child, but life's too short to hold grudges, don't you think? Hope you're both well and happy."

Then leave it at that. If he wants to visit (unlikely) then agree as long as they stay in a hotel. Put off any suggestion of visiting them - give vague reasons.

If he/she ever email/call you and are insulting in any way, then just put the phone down/delete the message and don't get back in touch with them.

GhouliaYelps · 13/08/2012 08:04

...and was born in central London

It is bonkers at Christmas, and I abdolutely love it, not surprisingly people have different opinions and some absolutely despise the London Christmas chaos.

Gumby · 13/08/2012 08:10

I don't understand why you didn't go to theirs for Xmas day though

Inertia · 13/08/2012 08:18

YANBU, and I think Imperial is right - your father would prefer to cut off his nose to spite his face rather than relinquish any inch of control over where and when you met up. Frankly I'm stunned at the number of posters who have berated you over the Christmas arrangements - I don't think you could have done much more to try to accommodate your parents. They refused to let you stay with them , and you tried to arrange two other meetings which they also rejected.

Of course, this comes after a childhood filled with physical and emotional abuse. You are perfectly reasonable to cut contact with them - their behaviour towards their own child is shocking, and they have got away with this abuse not being reported.

I'd be tempted to respond with an email that says " No thank you " , then cease all contact. Don't even bother trying to explain , they'll twist your words.

confusedgypsychick · 13/08/2012 08:21

YANBU to not want them in your life. I wouldn't want them in my life.

However, do you not want them in your life forever? Would you not want to be reconciled when they die? Do you not want your children to have any contact with them ever?

If your answer to all that is yes, than don't reconcile. If your answer is no, well then, perhaps best to reconcile. But try and reconcile on your terms if that's possible.

bakingaddict · 13/08/2012 08:27

Maybe the OP would prefer neutral teritory than staying at her parents. Sometimes when you have grown up adults and small children all staying in a parent's house tensions can get raised. I live 3 hours away from my parents and we always stay at my dad's house. I would never stay at mum's as she is not so tolerant of young kids and mess and when she's angry blows like a volcano

It's probably the better option than to have her kids witness the less desirable aspects of her parents' behaviour.

JumpingThroughHoops · 13/08/2012 08:30

Never is a very long time.

Hopeforever · 13/08/2012 08:35

Did your father say why he wanted to reconcile?

Would it be possible to have an email relationship only?

It's easy to say " don't reconcile" and I can see why, but sadly i see people having a much harder time coping with the death of a parent when they have not been on speaking terms prior to the parents final illness or death.

Have you talked this through with your DH? What does he think?

Do you think your mum wants this? If your dad died first how would she cope? What would you want your relationship to be?

You owe them nothing, you have had a disrupted childhood, you do not need to reconcile for his benefit, but do you for your future health? That is the most important question. Your children don't need grandparents, they need a happy mum. What would make you happier now and in the future?

Inertia · 13/08/2012 08:35

The OP says that the parents refused to let them stay with them , Gumby (penultimate paragraph).

JugglingWithFiveRings · 13/08/2012 08:49

I think you would not be being unreasonable to have nothing to do with your parents, BUT ... is that really in your own best interests and best for your children. You may find that having some nominal contact with them may be best for you all.

You could stay in contact a little but not actually spend time with them. You could try something like occasionally being in contact via Skype. Then your parents and children can see what each other look like without much potential for any fall-outs. You have a great excuse for a minimum contact relationship with you all being in Australia and them in UK.

If it was me - and I don't really know as I haven't lived through your childhood - I feel I'd want to do what I could to maintain some sort of relationship.

I think you may have been a bit over-ambitious at Christmas though eg. thinking of spending a week together in Paris etc. I think if you do plan a meet-up it should be much shorter eg. go out for a meal together or at most an afternoon out together somewhere. I'm sorry meeting up didn't work out though - that sounds very annoying, frustrating, and disappointing. And you're right that most grandparents would make more effort to see their DGC's.

CouthyMow · 13/08/2012 08:49

Thing is, in Australia, their 'long' summer holiday IS in December. If you were going to travel literally halfway across the world, you'd do it in the summer holidays too, wouldn't you?

It just so happens that Australian summer holidays are in December. The OP probably couldn't have arranged the trip for a time in the year that was 'more convenient' for her abusive parents.

I don't see what is so wrong with the OP arranging her family's main holiday IN THEIR SUMMER HOLIDAYS.

And any other grandparents with DGC's living halfway across the world that they hadn't seen for a couple of years would make an effort to travel to see them, and be understanding that December is summer holidays for Australian children, and December was when it had to be.

iMoniker · 13/08/2012 09:27

Thanks to everybody. I appreciate the cross section of opinions - helps to balance my biased opinion (given a lot of painful memories from my childhood).

Totally take on board that Xmas may not have been convenient for my parents. I did arrange the trip in April 2011 and then spent 2 months trying to finalize arrangements - before we ended up falling out over it. My parents are not that old - 63 years old. They are set in their ways for sure.

I like Imperials suggestion. Holding a grudge is very self destructive.

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iMoniker · 13/08/2012 09:30

FWIW. We ended up having a great time. London was positively balmy - 12 degs some days. Finland was magical and Paris was amazing. Sunshine and not too cold.

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ImperialBlether · 13/08/2012 10:00

One thing I would worry about (amongst many) is that one of them is ill and they are trying to drag you into caring for them. Always be wary of an email out of the blue asking for reconciliation.

I suppose you could write back and say, "What's brought this about?"

hardboiledpossum · 13/08/2012 10:03

meditrina I feel like you must be reading a different thread to me.

The OP couldn't come to the UK any other time because of her children's schooling. Even if it wasn't a great time, anyone I know would still make an effort to see their child and granchildren. I can't believe that people think this is OK.

OP yanbu at all

iMoniker · 13/08/2012 10:09

Yes Imperial,, this occurred to me. I feel so conflicted.

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iMoniker · 13/08/2012 10:11

The email was a one liner. Cut and paste - my name below

Xx, can we consider putting this all behind us? No questions asked. Dad and Mum

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iMoniker · 13/08/2012 10:11

My name removed rather

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HecateHarshPants · 13/08/2012 10:16

reconcile no questions asked?

He means sweep it all under the carpet, don't criticise anything they've done, blame them for anything and go back to business as usual.

I wouldn't.

I would make questions a condition of reconciling (actually, I wouldn't reconcile, but that's just me)

You'd want assurances that things weren't just going to be the same, wouldn't you? You'd probably even want apologies or at least acknowledgement of what they've done, right?

"no questions asked" means you're not going to get that.

Without that, do you think anything would be different?

PooPooInMyToes · 13/08/2012 10:17

I would ask why now.

I don't blame you for considering having nothing to do with them though, the hair dragging alone is enough!

NunTheWiser · 13/08/2012 10:27

"No questions asked" means he knows he was in the wrong but doesn't want to say it or be reminded of it. His way or the high way. Can you be bothered?
BTW, I don't think that after going to the effort and expense of flying thousands of miles to the UK it is unreasonable to say "This is where we are, would love to see you if you can swing by." It's what we do when travelling back.

iMoniker · 13/08/2012 10:27

Hecate - I have tried to force a discussion/acknowledgement/apology for my hideous childhood. It did not end well - my father denied it ALL. This was why we stopped speaking in 2004.

Sounds like a soap opera Sad

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songbird33 · 13/08/2012 10:31

I can understand everything they say about not going to London or Paris around Christmas (any time in December actually Grin)

However, the point is that the OP lives in Australia and they get very few chances to see each other. I'd quite literally have swum the channel if I had to in order to see mine and that they couldn't be bothered must be incredibly disappointing and upsetting.

I had quite an abusive childhood but I've had to put it behind me to a certain extent as I'm too soft to break contact with mine completely and I only have sons so it's not too much of a worry, I wouldn't allow unsupervised access if I had a daughter, though.