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peanutMD · 25/07/2012 10:00

I found out I wad pregnant a few Wells ago and I'm just starting to tell some of my choose friends and atleast 3 people (1 of whom has 5 children) have tools he that the biggest thing they have missed in pregnancy is Philadelphia, when I asked why I was told because you're not allowed soft cheeses or you can poison the baby!

Now obviously I didn't just laugh in their face but I did point out that it wasn't cheese spread they meant it was a minimal risk from eating cheeses such as brie but again I was tools no I'm sure I was tools not to eat soft cheese to which I did have to stifle a giggle.

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JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 25/07/2012 17:36

That makes sense mini - I can't imagine every restaurant serving ceviche uses frozen fish.

I would avoid it for the rice tbh, unless I was absolutely certain that the store/restaurant was very reliable.

Vodka - Philly will almost certainly be fine! Kept cool and in a clean fridge, eaten within its use by, not left open for weeks... the usual food safety things apply just a bit more because you are so much more vulnerable to illness.

AlpinePony · 25/07/2012 17:40

Why would mayo with raw eggs be banned? If they're lion-stamped - and I challenge you to find commercial ones which aren't - they're fine.

When are we going to vaginas then?

CakeBump · 25/07/2012 17:47

Of course you can eat cheese - any sort of cheese - how silly.

Here in Germany the advice is no raw eggs or raw meat - everything else is fine. Even raw eggs are fine if they are vaccinated, which most are, and rare steak is fine if it is well done on the outside.

I wish everyone would just STOP PANICKING!!! Especially those who feel they need to give me gratuitous, incorrect advice Angry

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 25/07/2012 17:53

Vaginas, AP? Confused

CakeBump · 25/07/2012 17:53

Actually the riskiest things for listeria are bagged salad and pre-cut fruit, but I don't see any advice anywhere which tells you to avoid those....

HandMadeTail · 25/07/2012 17:59

Someone once told me that I was very "brave" to drink freshly squeezed orange juice while breast feeding.

She was the world's biggest bitch, though.

AlpinePony · 25/07/2012 18:04

jenai see OP's post.

Yes, the bagged salad one is interesting isn't it? Anyone ever heard a health professional say "lay off the leaves".

It just gets people in knots and they end up eating disgusting car-ridden processed crap. :(

SilkySmith · 25/07/2012 18:07

Orange juice irriates the baby's stomach if you BF and gives them terrible painful runs and rash!

"My GP tells me that all things in moderation are okay - eg, eating a small bit of fresh mayo on a sandwich one day isn't going to kill you or the baby. Just don't be eating these 'banned' things for breakfast, lunch and dinner for 9 months!"

  • the food poisoning thing is not like alcohol, it only takes one dose to end your baby's life! whereas with alcohol etc you would have to be having a lot to affect your baby's health

but who can be arsed to make fresh mayo anyway? it is such a faff!

minipie · 25/07/2012 18:11

cake seems the advice in Germany is different from the advice in the UK in that case.

You're right about bagged salad. I have seen advice to wash bagged salad (even if ready washed) but not on the NHS site.

SilkySmith · 25/07/2012 18:16

ready made sandwiches are also bigger risks

minipie · 25/07/2012 19:38

Mmm yes, I did decide not to eat a sandwich from a motorway service station the other day as it looked like it had been there days. I'll eat Pret though as they are made fresh the same day.

SilkySmith · 25/07/2012 19:42

I also eat pre-packed sandwiches from the hospital canteen, I figure if the kitchen is clean enough to prepare sandwiches for immuno suppressed cancer patients then it's probably okay to eat their sandwiches (and pre cut fruit) - even though the cancer patients aren't allowed them (their diet is much stricter then pregnant people, no black pepper for eg because it comes from the ground, peelable fruit only - washed isn't enough!)

but no not from a service station or a deli type place where the same prep area is used for everything etc

SilkySmith · 25/07/2012 19:43

"clean enough to prepare sandwiches for immuno suppressed cancer patients"
clean enough to prepare FOOD for..
not sandwiches, they're against the chemo diet the hospital follows

BartletForAmerica · 25/07/2012 20:11

"Of course you can eat cheese - any sort of cheese - how silly.

Here in Germany the advice is no raw eggs or raw meat - everything else is fine...I wish everyone would just STOP PANICKING!!! Especially those who feel they need to give me gratuitous, incorrect advice"

Sadly the rate of listeriosis is going up in Germany, particularly in neonates in whom there is 11% death rate.

There are very, very good reasons for reducing your risk of contracting listeria, whereas the risk of salmonella etc is just because, when pregnant, you are at greater risk of suffering from food poisoning.

Of course, Philadelphia is fine, but some cheeses should be avoided.

[[http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/foods-to-avoid-pregnant.aspx Some types of cheese

Don't eat mould-ripened soft cheese, such as brie, camembert and chevre (a type of goats' cheese) and others with a similar rind. You should also avoid soft blue-veined cheeses such as Danish blue or gorgonzola. These are made with mould and they can contain listeria, a type of bacteria that can harm your unborn baby. Although infection with listeria (listeriosis) is rare, it is important to take special precautions in pregnancy because even a mild form of the illness in a pregnant woman can lead to miscarriage, stillbirth or severe illness in a newborn baby.
You can eat hard cheeses such as cheddar, parmesan and stilton, even if they're made with unpasteurised milk. Hard cheeses don't contain as much water as soft cheeses so bacteria are less likely to grow in them. Many other types of cheese are OK to eat, but make sure they're made from pasteurised milk. This includes cottage cheese, mozzarella, feta, cream cheese, paneer, ricotta, halloumi, goats' cheese and processed cheeses such as cheese spreads.]]

SoHHKB · 25/07/2012 20:17

I made my favourite soup the other day that you thicken by adding raw beaten egg (the heat of the soup cooks the egg). I very carefully made sure the egg was all properly stirred in and cooked through...
Then after lunch I made cookies and licked the beaters...Blush

SilkySmith · 25/07/2012 20:19

if the egg has the red lion on it its okay

howah · 25/07/2012 20:43

My friend would not share a cream cake with me because she wasn't allowed cream in case it wasn't pasteurised. This was in Tesco. I said Look love, unless you are lying under a cow sucking directly on its udder, you should be alright. Get the cake down your neck!

She laughs about it now!

CakeBump · 25/07/2012 21:48

Barlet I would be interested to know what proportion of pregnant women in Germany contract listeriosis, and what proportion of these women suffer complications to their pregnancy.

I simply don't believe the risk is great enough to be concerned.

Moominsarescary · 25/07/2012 21:55

I laughed at dp when he told me I wasn't supposed to eat cheese spread

BartletForAmerica · 25/07/2012 21:59

cakebump, I've linked to the relevant data above but will do it again.

CakeBump · 25/07/2012 22:06

you seem to have missed this bit....

"The increase only occurred among non pregnancy-associated cases and was mainly due to a rise in cases in the age group ≥60 years."

BartletForAmerica · 25/07/2012 22:23

You need to read the data not just the abstract!

"The observation that the number of pregnancy associated cases
remained relatively stable while the other cases steadily increased
over time might be explained by the fact that risk communication
and prevention strategies are already well-established in the risk
group of pregnant women
. For the other risk groups (high age,
immunosuppression, malignancies) intensified education and
preventive efforts are required."

MeconiumHappens · 25/07/2012 22:33

havent read all posts so apologise if repeating, but you can have HARD blue cheese like stilton but not soft blue cheese.

phlebas · 26/07/2012 07:51

Orange juice irriates the baby's stomach if you BF and gives them terrible painful runs and rash!

No it doesn't! People talk all sorts of rubbish about avoiding things while breastfeeding. Out if the four breastfed babies I have & the huge number that friends have I know of one baby who was seemingly affected by his others diet.

phlebas · 26/07/2012 07:52

sorry keyboard is half dead others diet = mother's diet

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