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to think that natural sex selection is a load of twaddle?

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WannabeEarthMomma · 25/07/2012 00:06

(This is a bit geeky and long but I've done my best to make it fun) Grin

The theory goes that 'Y' chromosome sperm, having less genetic material, are lighter and can swim faster, whereas 'X' chromosome sperm are more resistant to the hostile acidity of the uterus, so can live longer in there.

So, if you wish to conceive a girl, you're supposed to do the deed several days before you ovulate, so all the 'boy' sperm have time to die off in their millions, and hopefully if your uterus has just the right conditions the 'girl' sperm will have survived and will be ready to create your little princess when the egg arrives. This seems kind of plausible to me, although it also sounds like a recipe for months of frustration while ttc.

If you wish to conceive a boy, you're supposed to do the deed on the day of ovulation, so that the egg is already in the fallopian tube, ready and waiting to become your little soldier, when a fast-swimming 'boy' sperm arrives. There's a problem with this however - this theory assumes that 'it only takes one sperm'. Of course only one sperm gets to fertilise it, but no sperm can bypass the outer coating of the egg until a few hundred sperm have arrived at the egg and released their 'open sesame' chemical message (this is vaguely remembered from a recent documentary. I guess the fact that only one sperm isn't enough, is a kind of trap to stop you being impregnated by someone with a low sperm count).

Imagine what an epic journey each sperm makes. From the point of view of a sperm, your uterus is like an enormous labyrinth. The chance of each sperm making it's way through and finding the egg is similar to the chance of a blind man finding something you hid in the Amazon rainforest. It's likely that half of the front-runners will go up the wrong fallopian tube! And even when the Michael Phelps sperm has arrived at the egg, it still has to wait patiently for a few hundred others to show up to help get the front door open. And some cheeky slow sperm that was in 196th place might sneak through and get the prize!!!

Can you see where I'm going with this? If sperm number 196 is as likely to win as number 1, how likely is it that it could be a supposedly slower-swimming girl sperm that caught up with the boys? The Dara Torres sperm? An ovum is only in the fallopian tube for approximately 12 hours, and the fastest and luckiest sperm are thought to take anywhere from 2-12 hours to successfully navigate to the egg (I found disagreement on this timing, from various sources). So if you do the deed on O-day then you are relying on a fast race, but even so, the fact there is such a range of possible travel times, increases the chance that girl sperms may catch up and be among the few hundred finishers. It's plausible that there could be as many girl sperm as boy sperm arriving in time! Perhaps girl sperm are observed to be slower swimmers when looked at under a microscope, but over several hours and in vivo conditions, would there really be a significant speed difference?

I tend to think not. However, it's really not something you can observe happening, so the only way to know whether the theory works is to carry out a survey of people who have tried this method. Of course, no survey is totally thorough, and there are bound to be people who are missed off, because they tried it and it failed, and they lost interest in the subject. You'd get more responses from people who it worked for.

But I strongly suspect that if you had a very thorough survey of natural sex selection, you'd find it works 50% of the time. Wink

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LentillyFart · 25/07/2012 00:10

Sorry - lost the will to live right back at the beginning with the male sperm.

Birdsgottafly · 25/07/2012 00:13

I think that 'nature' takes care of what needs doing, tbh.

In the old days after every war the birth rate of baby boys would increase.

There is more going on than what science can explain, yet.

JarethTheGoblinKing · 25/07/2012 00:15

What a fun thing to read when TTC

VeremyJyle · 25/07/2012 00:19

I found it interesting Sad

patosullivan · 25/07/2012 00:25

Interesting Smile

I think I read something about natural sex selection in a newspaper once that said there's some sort of special diet you're meant to follow as well. Can't remember what though.

I may be wrong, but the natural sex selection advocates don't claim 100% success, do they? More tilting it away from the natural 50/50 odds?

cantspel · 25/07/2012 00:25

you forgot that if girl sperm live longer than boys they could be lurking in the tube waiting for the egg to arrive long after all the boy sperm have died off.

I had fertility problems and both my conceptions were planned like milarty operations. We had sex with 6 hours of ovulation and both times i had boys. Could be just the way things went or it could be the fact that the boys swam faster.

sausagerolemodel · 25/07/2012 00:27

I strongly suspect the OP is spot on in the last para.

SchrodingersMew · 25/07/2012 00:53

It would be interesting to read more about this.

I also had sex on day of ovulation and had a boy. :)

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 25/07/2012 01:04

It worked for me.

I wanted DC1 to be a boy (but as a vegetarian my pH favoured girl).
I knew exactly my ovulation day because I got the stabbing pain when it was day 14 (and all the TMI mucous).

So DH was primed for fresh sperm for day 14 and lo and behold my PFB DS.It took 7 months to get pg because I limited it to that one day.

Then when TTC DC2 I had BFP then a bleed. Then another BFP then a MC at 7 weeks.

So I waited 3 months and tried again, roughly round ovulation time and had got pg with DD.
Then had a car crash at 22 weeks.
DD hung on in there (sparky little devil). She was meant to be Grin

I know some people say it's a pile of pooh, or I was 'playing God'. But it worked for me.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 25/07/2012 01:07

WRT diet IIRC milky diet (especially vegetarian favours girls) (is that alkaline?)
And high salt -boys.

Some religions forbid sex for specified time after period. And apparantly have more boys. But no figures to back up. Just read it.

WishingRLwouldFuckOff · 25/07/2012 01:14

but they say there is other factors then just swimmer ability. ph and other stuff.
Also i would love to see some research into whether the proportions of y chromosome carrying sperm and x chromosome carrying sperm stay the same or if there is fluctuations in the proportions between men. it might be that some men are more likely to have male/female offspring. Thus taking it out of the control of the woman. Also does this stay the same and can this fluctuate depending on environmental/life cycle conditions. Are young men more or less likely to girls vs boys etc.

there are just too many possible variables in this.

SandyBottoms · 25/07/2012 01:29

It worked for me! Sure it was 50/50 but it still worked.

monsterchild · 25/07/2012 01:34

We just had lots and lots of sex, and presumably the girl sperm were just as likely to be lurking in the tubes as the boy sperm were to come panting up fresh from delivery.

We're having a boy, BTW!

JarethTheGoblinKing · 25/07/2012 02:28

I just want to be able to conceive a child. I don't care what sex it is.

ZonkedOut · 25/07/2012 03:11

I remember reading about this. I believe the acid/alkali thing makes more difference than the day of dtd.

Also, they know male sperm is faster and female sperm more robust, but don't know why (the difference in weight of X and Y chromosomes is insignificant).

And finally, even if you do all these things (including using a particular position during and after to help), it just alters the chances slightly - I think I read changing 50-50 to 54-46 or something like this.

EugenesAxe · 25/07/2012 03:48

I estimated my ovulation for the day after my wedding and we had a boy. For DC2 I wanted to try for a girl, so we did have sex three days before I estimated I would ovulate, and we got a girl. Could be chance but theory held for me.

EugenesAxe · 25/07/2012 04:25

I've also heard stress increases your chances of a girl... I expect that's the pH thing. I wasn't really eating differently but having a young child, I guess I'd be more stressed.

Jareth - best wishes; I'm sorry you are in this situation. I could say a lot but I expect it would piss you off, so I'll leave it there.

DharmaBumpkin · 25/07/2012 06:09

This was correct for us having DD2 though we didn't do it on purpose.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 25/07/2012 07:16

It is interesting, but didn't work for me (not that I was tryin to sway, just happy to be pregnant with whatever flavour I got given)
Ds was conceived from sex 3 days before ovulation, dd was from sex about an hour before ovulation (I get bad pains)

Jenny70 · 25/07/2012 07:18

I think you'll find studies give it a 50% success rate! Ie. You're right, it doesn't work.

Shelby2010 · 25/07/2012 08:27

Jareth , I think there will be a lot of MNetters out here with fertility problems who are a bit Hmm that someone could 'play' with their fertility for 7 months to slightly skew their chances of having a boy. Accept that we are just jealous & try not to be bitter, it's not their fault that other people have problems conceiving. Good luck & hopefully you'll get there soon.

fluffyraggies · 25/07/2012 08:37

Just one thing of interest -

I saw an interesting thing recently where 'they' put coloured dye in a woman's vagina then went on to track it while she had an orgasm.

90% of the dye was sort of 'sucked' up one fallopian tube only. It was on the side she was ovulating on that month.

... interesting stuff.

Debeez · 25/07/2012 08:39

Jareth My fingers are crossed for you. Just entered another 2WW myself.

Shelby Completely agree.

DP wants another boy, I've always wanted loads of boys. I reckon if we had time and chance on our side we'd prob be trying to sway things in our favour.

Trills · 25/07/2012 08:41

YANBU

I strongly suspect that if you had a very thorough survey of natural sex selection, you'd find it works 50% of the time.

I strongly suspect the same thing :)

I've also heard stress increases your chances of a girl

True for red deer. Not sure about humans.

rainydaysarebad · 25/07/2012 08:42

Had sex every day after period first time and had dd. had sex everyday after period the second time and had DS. It's pure luck at where your egg has got to and which sperm gets there first.