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to think book vouchers for 100% attendance is an issue?

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DancesWithWoolsEnPointe · 20/07/2012 17:17

DD2 had 100% attendance at school this year. DD1 had a tummy bug and stayed at home 1 day.

DD2 got a certificate in assembly. Fine with that.
But she also got a £5 book voucher. Not fine with that.

DD1 is jealous and cross with me that I made her stay at home for 24 hours after vomiting, as per school policy. She says that next time she is sick, she is going to school anyway. So what lesson are they trying to teach here?

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ProPerformer · 21/07/2012 20:56

IMHO if doing attendance awards it should be for 100% attendance... But with unavoidable situations like illness taken into account, eg. If a child had 5 some days off sick then they should still get it, but children who had unauthorised days off / avoidable days off (eg. Family holidays, hairdressers, skiving etc) then that child should not get it.

Still not 100% fair I'll agree but much fairer than the current system!

LindyHemming · 21/07/2012 20:58

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sixlostmonkeys · 21/07/2012 20:59

or you can listen studiously, look things up at home, read around the subject (in science) or do extra calculations (in maths)

clicketyclick66 · 21/07/2012 21:10

I was pleased because my 2 DDs got 100% attendance this year, and they got the appropriate certificates.

My DS has a classmate who has not missed one day from school since he started, even when he had the vomiting bug and threw up all over his table then had to spend the rest of the day in the principal's office on a makeshift bed because his parent's did not collect him! It's ridiculous he gets rewarded for that.

IvanaNap · 21/07/2012 21:24

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StealthPolarBear · 21/07/2012 21:26

Yes, the attending when ill and the "been off once therefore not bother again" scenarios are perverse incentives

seeker · 21/07/2012 21:45

Frankly, I just like seeing any awards/certificates/prizes that are get-able by children who are not sporty/clever at school work/particularly artistic. So long as the 100% attendance ( which, let's face it, is a pretty amazing achievement) isn't the only one, then I can't see a problem. Our primary school (oops, I forgot, ex Primary school) has a Citizenship Cup and and Achievement Trophy, which I think are fantastic. The Achievement Cup is one I particularly like. It goes to the child that the Head believes has made the most impressive progress over their time in the school. It's very entertaining watching the faces of the pushy mums when it goes to a child who may have only achieved averagely in year 6 but who has worked their little socks off to get their level 4s! And the Citizedship Cup is self explanatory- and much sought after.

StealthPolarBear · 21/07/2012 21:48

Ex primary? Academy?

seeker · 21/07/2012 21:55

No- ds has just left year 6!

edam · 21/07/2012 21:57

100% attendance awards may well be illegal - certainly worth pursing a case on the grounds of unlawful discrimination now we have the Disability Discrimination Act.

Citizenship and achievement awards are fine, punishing children for things that are beyond their control such as illness and disability clearly are not.

sixlostmonkeys · 21/07/2012 22:01

giving one child an award for something is not punishing another

sigh

JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 21/07/2012 22:11

I think it's dreadfully unfair on children who've been ill, and makes it seem like everyone who is off is playing truant or skiving - whereas most of the time they're just ill.

I'm definitely against these lack of imagination certificates (lots of other good things could be rewarded instead) and shocked to hear of £5 vouchers or cash Shock

My DS happened to have 100% attendance this year and was rewarded with a trip to see the Queen on her Jubilee tour of the country nearby (pupils selected from those with 100% attendance)
I do feel a fairer system could have been used Confused
(But DS did enjoy his day out with his friends and waving to the Queen)

My niece has to have check-ups at St.Ormond Street following childhood cancer, so I guess she's going to miss out on any such treats that may be going.
As if being ill isn't enough to contend with in childhood.

JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 21/07/2012 22:16

Sorry - reading that it looks wrong - GreatOrmond Street

tethersend · 21/07/2012 22:18

"giving one child an award for something is not punishing another"

I agree with this, actually.

I object to them for different reasons; what message are we giving children by awarding them for something they have not done? Leaving aside the neglected child who stays off school to care for younger siblings, the child with chronic illness who is excluded from the end of term disco, and the children who erroneously believe that they have achieved something because their parent dropped them off at school every morning, the impact on attendance of the most needy is minimal.

When children have serious attendance issues, it is the parent who is prosecuted and responsible. Why then is the child rewarded when the attendance is good?

seeker · 21/07/2012 22:23

However, I do think there's a difference between handing out a £5 book token for 100% attendance, and only picking 100% attendees for a special one off treat like waving to the queen.

JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 22/07/2012 13:54

Why seeker ? Which do you feel is worse ? Both seem pretty unfair to me ?

seeker · 22/07/2012 13:59

I don't see noting full attendance as a problem so long as there are loads of other things kids can get awards for that don't depend on sporting or academic excellence. A certificate or a book token is neither here not there. But doling out a big treat to just the 100% attendees is very unfair. It's the importance attached to it-a bit of a well done is fine. Lots of bells and whistles isn't.

Jux · 22/07/2012 14:23

I used to work with autistic children. We would start off giving them big tangible rewards but the aim was always to move them towards social rewards - ideally "well done!" and a big smile. Why did we bother? It's clearly not 'normal' to be satisfied with that any more.

madhairday · 22/07/2012 14:38

At my dc's last school the system was really shit, because they did attendance awards to classes for the week/month/term, and the class with the best attendance got the Wii at playtimes that week, or DS, or got a trip - whatever was sorted. So children with disabilities in those classes saw that their disability led to the class losing out. What's more, they sometimes got bullied/teased for it. My dd, forever off to hospital appointments, got told she was the cause of her class never getting the Wii (for eg) and told she was rubbish, hopeless etc - all lovely things to contribute to her already low self esteem through dyspraxia.

This system I think is shocking. I hate the 100% attendance awards too, but this I think was even worse, if possible :(

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LineRunner · 22/07/2012 15:12

And another thing that pisses me off - my DD's school always counted a medical appointment - even if she was only gone for 45 minutes - as an absence (1 or even 2 missed sessions). The worst time to have an appointment was actually over the lunch break because that would count as a whole day's absence.

The Head is mental.

blackberryjam · 22/07/2012 15:49

I'm not a fan of it. I have 4 school-aged DC, one of whom has a disability. This means that she has to attend hospital appointments during term-time on a fairly regular basis. I guess she'd never be a contender for the prize then. Seems somewhat unfair; especially as she has a life-long condition which will always require monitoring at hospital.

Blu · 22/07/2012 15:56

BlackberryJam - DS is about to srat attending a secindary that puts the name of 100% attenders into a lottery for an iPod. DS has a disability that requires several appontments a year that we cannot schedule into holidays, and I know the iPod issue will ramp up DS's frustration that his appointments will bar him fom any chacne of winning the iPod.

However, I will encourage him to do what he did in his primary school: make a case thorugh the school councillors that absences as a result of a permanent disability or disabling condition should not count against attendance awards.

It is wildly discriminatory to set up a system wrt to attendance that a child can never have a chance of because of a disability.

TheBigJessie · 22/07/2012 16:19

madhairday 's daughter's ex-school may be the worst so far. That policy is undermining social inclusion!

Phacelia · 22/07/2012 20:14

Only read half the thread, as it's too long but I think that most people on here saying it's not discrimination and it doesn't matter because other children don't win other prizes (sports, maths) for the most part can't have any experience of having a disabled child or of disability themselves.

When you are disabled, especially when you're in school, your whole life can feel about what you can't do. There are so many ways in which you are excluded.

Often, you can't do sports lessons (I had to just sit and watch them for years. That's 3-4 times a week for 1-2 hours each time sitting there watching children running about giggling, having fun. I wasn't allowed to go to the library instead, for example). You can't necessarily go on school trips, or if you do go, you have to watch from the sidelines (on an adventure day one teacher saw me looking on and said 'you can't join in but you might at least smile and pretend you're having fun. Why you have to look so miserable I don't know,' when I was grieving for my health and desperately wanting to join in). Friends who used to like you suddenly find reasons they can't spend time with you (my best friend aged 12 organised a quad biking birthday party and invited everyone but me. I wanted to go just to watch them and eat cake with them afterwards but she said because I couldn't go on a quad bike she didn't think I'd want to go. As a child, that was devastating). Or your friendships break down because you're never there, for example if you're in hospital a lot. And because of hospital appointments/hospital stays you can be constantly behind on my work too, when no teacher has time to help you catch up and your friends thought it a chore to explain anything.

So you have all that missing out, all that feeling different from your friends, all the wondering why you have to be different when you just want to be normal, then add to that the pain/fatigue/other difficulties which might come from your disability, and then on top of that you have to sit there and applaud other children being congratulated/rewarded for their attendance. Which as other people have said, is down to luck mostly. If you're healthy you are lucky.

This is why it's discrimination. If your average healthy child doesn't win a maths prize, they might win an English one, they might have the confidence to say 'oh well, I'm good at sports.' They might get a reward for effort. The disabled child is already coming from a position where they miss out all the time, every day sometimes. It was a minor thing in my life to watch other children get attendance certificates when I'd have given my eye teeth to be well and at school every day, but it still fucking hurt. I felt like people were saying that I was weak because I was unwell, and that healthy people were stronger and tougher than me. That message took a lot of time and work to unstick.

Some people have no clue how hard it can be for some disabled people. I appreciate some manage just fine, aren't excluded, don't feel different, etc.

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