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To want my aunt to actually do what she makes out she is doing.

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Dramajustfollowsme · 19/07/2012 21:25

This could be very long, sorry. My aunt had a horrendous marriage to a violent alcoholic. She remained completely loyal to him despite him throwing plates at my gran, breaking my nose when I was 11 and her son being taken away from them by ss. They lost their house as he frittered all there money away.
We tried to be as supportive as possible both emotionally and financially.
Eventually, the night her son was taken into care my dm insisted my aunt and her daughter (was too old for ss input) come and stay her as they weren't safe.
DM fully supported them until they got a council flat. Not easy on a minimum wage and 2 dd to support.
My aunt was still giving him money and looking after him but being very secretive about it. I know it is horrid but really only she grieved him when his liver packed in.
She got a flat, we furnished it and helped sort out her bills but she really struggles to look after herself. At one point mum was having to tell her to wash her clothes/self. She and her flat were constantly filthy, to the point that my dh could tell by the smell if she had visited hours earlier.
We had a tough time in 2010 my DS was still born. 2 weeks later DM was told her cancer had returned and was terminal and my gran (mum's mum) 3 weeks after that was also told her cancer had returned and was terminal.
My aunt knew this was happening but instead of helping us or even just being there, went on a last minute holiday.
DM and gran were in opposite ends of the hospital and my dsis and I took my elderly grandad every visiting to see them. We took turns with other friends and relatives so we could get a break.
My grandad needed more help than previously as my gran had always done all the cooking and cleaning. He is no longer physically able to do it.
My mum got out and went to stay with him. She did the cooking and my sis, my aunt and I shared the cleaning.
My aunt then decided to give up her job to become her carer. I didn't think it would work as she can barely look after herself but she made herself out to be such a martyr. On numerous times DM wouldphone me in a panic because she needed my aunt but hadn't seen her in days.
I would travel over and sort things out but mum needed more care than my aunt could/would give. I became pregnant again and because of my history I had to be really careful. I still had to go and pick up the slack from my aunt. My dsis thought about quitting uni to come home to help.
I then ended up taking a premmie newborn to the house whilst I cleaned it and fed them. I didn't begrudge them as I would do anything for my DM and grandad but it did annoy me that she was accepting the money but not doing anything. When it was suggested that she couldn't cope and maybe we needed to look at professionals, she got very angry about her benefits being cut.
When DM passed away much sooner than expected one of the first things she asked about whilst we were sorting everything out was about her allowance.
She then decided to move in with Grandad and sublet her flat to her daughter. She said she was going to look after him.
The house filthy, his clothes dont get washed as much and she feeds him rubbish. He doesn't want to upset her as he thinks she does her best. I've suggested he gets a cleaner but she is putting up all sorts of stupid excuses.
We have also discovered that she has been helping herself to money from his accounts. He got upset when he saw the account balance. There were transactions from miss selfridge and new look. He doesn't want to go to the police as he feels he should give her money for looking after him. My point is: she doesn't look after him. She just tells all friends and family she does. She is bleeding him dry. I used to think she was depressed and had sympathy for her but I'm just fed up of her taking advantage of the sweetest old man.

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whois · 19/07/2012 21:28

No advice but sounds like a shit situation :-(

MrsKwazii · 19/07/2012 21:33

You must be so worried. This is elder abuse and very serious. If your Aunt isn't looking after your Grandad properly and is also stealing from him, you may need to get the Police and Social Services involved. It may be worth speaking to Age UK www.ageuk.org.uk/ for advice. Hope you can help your Grandad.

MrsKwazii · 19/07/2012 21:35

The Age UK general helpline is 0800 169 6565. Lines are open between 8.00am and 7.00pm. Good luck.

Noqontrol · 19/07/2012 21:38

I would get on to the safeguarding team at ssd department and let them deal with it. This is adult financial abuse and it should be stopped. Your aunt has no right to do this.

Nagoo · 19/07/2012 21:41

This is serious. I would not be worried about upsetting her, I would be getting social services involved to get rid of her and getting your grandad some proper help, and she can get back in her own house and living off her own money.

But what does your grandad want? I think if he is capable, you have to let him lead this, even if it's pissing you off.

Dramajustfollowsme · 19/07/2012 21:45

Thanks, I've spoken to mum's solicitor and am going to be getting joint power of auttorney with her so that I can look over his finances better. I think I'll give age uk a ring too. He catagorically does not want to involve the police. He is not as agile any more but still very quick witted. She just takes advantages of his soft nature. We have always made allowances for her but enough is enough. He knows things are not right but doesn't want to hassle her. She would quite happily stay in bed all morning then pop to the shops and meet friends for a coffee.
My sister is home from uni at the mom and is scrubbing the house whilst she does nothing. I don't want to upset him but he is vulnerable and I can't watch this anymore.

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Dramajustfollowsme · 19/07/2012 21:52

He would like a cleaner but want the clutter sorted first. They had a bedbug infestation so lots of stuff is still in black bags after being fumigated. He is scared about his money running out as it has rapidly decreased. I've taken the cards away and he has told her he has lost them. I'm hoping the power of auttorney will come through quickly and we can stop her frittering the rest of his money away on crap.
He still feels he should help her if she needs it. He would do the same for all of us. The difference is we wouldn't take his money. We would get a job and support ourselves. I think there may be some depression but she does seem to feel the world owes her a favour.

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Nagoo · 19/07/2012 22:32

I would report the cards as stolen in case she has the details saved on websites or paypal.

Nagoo · 19/07/2012 22:34

Perhaps you strongly suggest to your aunt that she move back home, since she is not coping with the burden of looking after him, and you will all share the jobs more equally, and get some SS help so he can be more independent? Make it more about your grandad and less about her stealing from him

attheendoftheday · 19/07/2012 23:46

I think this is an issue for the police and ss whatever your grandad wants. He is vulnerable and she is breaking the law.

holyfishnets · 20/07/2012 08:54

Family meeting about aging relative and his care and run through everything. You can all find a solution.

Yes involve police

Birdsgottafly · 20/07/2012 09:08

Firstly, though, how frail is your GF?

I have seen the stress of an investigation and the family fall out, kill a person off.

SS first, not the police. A family meeting needs to be called and the access to accounts needs changing.

Then she obviously needs to have a list of duties set out, that she needs to do.

SS can help with a one off deep clean/declutter. Then take it from there.

Birdsgottafly · 20/07/2012 09:10

Just to add if your GF tells the police that he has given her the money, then that will be pointless anyway.

The stress on him will still be immense, though.

You have to respect how he is feeling, whilst protecting him.

mayaswell · 20/07/2012 09:25

dramas, can I say how much respect for you I have? I would be on my knees with all that.

I think your aunt has had her opportunity, she's now a liability and putting everyones else's lives into misery. Why should one person mess it up for everyone else?

scarletforya · 20/07/2012 09:28

Report her, if shes claiming carers allowance but in fact neglecting him then surly it's benefit fraud? Also is she allowed sub let her flat if it's a council flat?? I singh think so, more fraud. I'd report her for elder abuse as well. Your Granddad is enabling her by failing to report her.

She is parasiting off a vulnerable old man, she needs to be stopped. No more soft soaping her.

Dramajustfollowsme · 20/07/2012 23:15

Been a bit of a mad day and only getting on now. My aunt has a list of jobs that we drew up. She seems to be either shit at them or a pathological liar as she always swears she is doing them. This is why I suggested a cleaner in the first place.
Our family friend, who was also the solicitor said that as my granda is saying she can have what money she needs then the police will have their hands pretty much tied.
My dsis spoke to the warden in his complex today and we think ss need to assess him properly and see what he needs. We had previously spoken to his doctor who was no help and gave no advice.
We have set all his bills as direct debits and today grandad did a tesco shop with me online. He really enjoyed doing that. I was able to make sure some decent food was bought and keep an eye on the money spent. He would like me to look after his finances. Have to say that scares me as im barely coping trying to do so much as it and am about to go back to work in 3 weeks after mat leave.
My dsis and I are going to go and see them tomorrow and say we are concerned that he needs more help and that we worry that she will make herself ill by trying to help him and her own children.
I say children but they are both grown up, older than my dsis. They do not help grandad in anyway.
We are going to tell them that we should get ss to assess him and help us come up with a care plan.
Grandad has mentioned that he isn't comfortable with any of us helping him with his personal care so are hoping to introduce the idea as a profession would help him with that.
I agree that she is a parasite and is doing many things wrong but believe that getting the police involved would crush my grandad. I couldn't do that to him.
Apparently her daughter has always been on the flat lease. She is living there with her new husband and baby. That is a whole other thread of mental happenings.
I just have to make his last years comfortable and happy. I hope ss can help us to help him. He is an absolute legend in this area and I love him to bits.
Hope these things work, I'll keep you posted.

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LeanderBear · 20/07/2012 23:40

Gosh, no advice but you sound like an amazing woman. I really hope things work out ok. What you have done today is great progress.

SoleSource · 20/07/2012 23:42

Drama you're lovely . All the best.

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