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...to expect my MIL to be more proactive (sorry, long)

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purplefairies · 17/07/2012 17:08

To be honest, I don't really think I am being unreasonable, but I suppose this is more a cry for help because this is the main sticking point in my relationship with my MIL and I'm worried things will escalate in the future if we have DCs (TTC at the moment).

A bit of background info: I live in my DH's home country, have done for quite a while, very happy here. DH is an only child and his mum is a widow (has been for 15 years). She's 61, fit and healthy, very well off, recently retired, has her own car (unlike us). I've been with DH for 10 years, married for 5.

MIL lives a 2-hour drive from us (3.5 hours on the train because she lives in the country). We visit every 8 weeks or so for the weekend (arriving on a Friday night and leaving Sunday night). On top of this, we try to encourage her to meet half-way in between these visits, e.g. to spend a Saturday somewhere together. I visit my parents (back in the UK) about 3-4 times a year, generally for between 4 days and a week at a time. When I do, DH goes to stay with MIL (I quote him: "to keep her happy").

Despite years of doing things "to keep her happy", MIL is not happy. She feels once every 8 weeks is not enough. She feels that a weekend is not enough (why, she asks, do I visit my own parents for longer?). She says that meeting half-way doesn't count. She says that visits undertaken by my DH alone don't count (maybe I should be flattered?). Every time we visit her (just back from a weekend with her), she moans to all and sundry in our presence that we're "never there", that we "hardly ever" visit these days, etc. etc. It's really wearing both of us down.

DH has tried to broach the subject several times. They've had full-blown arguments about it. But somehow, things will improve for a few months and then she'll start again: "You're never here", "Rushing off again on the Sunday night again, are you?". She'll even forget how many times we have been to visit and insist that it's been "months since the last time".

Honestly, I would like to have a relationship with my MIL which involves seeing her more frequently (if only for my DH - I'm very close to my own mum). I have tried, again and again and again, to invite her to come and see us, to pop down for a day if she's bored (she doesn't have a big circle of friends and is quite isolated). I have arranged spa days (which she disapproved of, but I thought it was a nice thought), taken her on holiday with us (which she hasn't really enjoyed), suggested weekends where certain events/festivals are on so she can join us. We always get an excuse: can't leave the garden, don't want to drive in the winter/summer/evening, don't like the city, don't feel comfortable staying in your flat (she has a big house and finds our flat quite cramped). She's been once this year.

I just don't understand why, if she really wants to see us, any of that should be important. We virtually have to beg her to come and visit, and usually, if she comes at all, she'll end up going home early because she "doesn't feel comfortable being away from her own home".

To top it all, we have the problem that my parents, as well as my sister and BIL, are very proactive and love to travel so, as well as coming to visit us, they also suggest family holidays once a year. MIL is very resentful of this (although my parents have invited her, too, which she has always declined). She doesn't like DH spending time with my parents and to be honest he limits his visits to them "because of what his mum will say", although he really enjoys their company.

I dread how this will develop if we have DCs, to be honest. I really think grandparents are an important part of growing up (I loved mine!), but it's always one-way traffic with my MIL and nothing is ever enough. How can I get her to be more proactive? I can't tell my parents that we can't go on holiday with them just because MIL doesn't approve of holidays so wouldn't be getting her "fair share". She can't seriously expect me to visit her for a week just because I visited the UK for a week, can she? I live in her country 48 weeks of the year, surely I don't have to justify 4 weeks in my own country?

DH seems to think that's just the way she is and we should ignore the comments, but I don't think he sees the potential for escalation in the future. I just feel she should be so grateful having us nearby, whereas my parents are in another country, but she doesn't make the most of it.

Has anyone managed to turn a situation like this around and make visits more of a two-way affair?

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/07/2012 17:15

Wow. That would drive me nuts. But:

Is it that in her culture, she would expect you to do all the running because that's what most people do?

I think you shouldn't ignore - she is upset and you are upset, so it's silly - but he should talk to him mum and explain that you are finding it hard. People can be really self-centred and she may not realize you are compromising quite a lot to her (by the sounds). She may be thinking that you are doing the bare minimum, but she needs to know that you are actually doing much more than lots of people would expect?

I don't think it's fair to keep expecting her to feel grateful, though. I don't think relatioships based on guilt/graditude go well - you see it as lucky you've settled in her country not yours, but she may well feel unlucky her son married someone whose ways she does not understand. And she could feel that despite liking you and wanting to see you.

tryingtonotfeckup · 17/07/2012 17:17

I've not been in this position before, so I cannot help on that front but generally there are some people that you cannot please, no matter what you do. If you lived an hour away and saw her every fortnight she would still complain. If she cannot see the unfairness in you living away from your parents and still complaining that you see them for longer stretches I'm not sure she is going to be reasonable in the future. You may just have to live with the grumbling, tiring I know, and worry about what happens when DC arrive (good luck with that), when they arrive.

eurochick · 17/07/2012 17:18

I'd just her to get on with it to be honest. Let your husband arange occasional visits and leave it at that.

Cheriefroufrou · 17/07/2012 17:19

Your problem is actually your OH not your MIL

TenaciousOne · 17/07/2012 17:40

Yanbu. I have the same problem with my MIL, I didn't mind before DS but with DS being the only driver and generally not feeling up to driving it soon wore me down. The would have all the family round and not tell us because a week after DS was born I wasn't driving.

DH has to stand up for you unfortunately.

TenaciousOne · 17/07/2012 17:41

Oops realised my post didn't make sense. I'm the only driver, DH can't drive.

CailinDana · 17/07/2012 17:46

Ignore ignore ignore.

And then ignore some more.

You make a very good effort to see her regularly, you have your own life going on, and she won't compromise and make an effort of her own. You've done what you can, let it go and ignore her guilt trips.

alphabite · 17/07/2012 17:50

It sounds like you are seeing her quite a bit and I don't see how you could do any more really if you are also seeing your parents 3-4 times a year. Does she really not understand that you stay with them longer because you have to travel a long way to see them?

It sounds like you need to have a gentle heart to heart with her and tell her you would love to see her more but it's just not possible to do a 7 hour round more often without being too tired to work etc.

Try not to feel guilty. It sounds like you do lots already. My brother lives only 45 minutes from my parents and sees them about twice a year! I live much further away and see them about once every 6 weeks.

vitaminC · 17/07/2012 17:52

Some people are never happy unless they have something to moan about, to gain attention. No matter what you propose or do, she will never be happy, so you need to stop trying to please her!

Next time she says something, reply "well, our door is always open if you want to visit...". Of course she'll object, but you should just ignore it and keep on repeating that each time! She'll get the message eventually. Just don't get drawn in to any long discussions or apologies about it all...

NoGoodNamesLeft · 17/07/2012 17:56

Some people are visitors. Others are visited. Your MIL clearly falls into the latter category. She is never going to be happy with how often she sees you, I bet even if it was every week, it still wouldn't be enough. Your DH needs to lay some firm boundaries down.

RobinScherbatsky · 17/07/2012 19:16

How long is the flight to see your parents? Can she not understand that you need to stay longer with your parents to justify the travel? Also, do you both work? If so, surely that is the reason you leave on the Sunday and she has to accept it? In fact, at 61, does she not still work? Can you communicate with her in her own language? Could language problems be at the root of the difficult relationship?

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 17/07/2012 19:29

How does she find out how often you go places without her, and come back to the UK to see your family? Why doesn't your DH just come with you and not tell his mother anything about it? She only knows where you've been if you tell her. Just stop telling her when you go on holiday. If you only see her once every 8 weeks, she'll never know.

purplefairies · 17/07/2012 20:18

Thanks everyone. I was a bit worried I get lots of replies along the lines of..."well, no, that's not really often enough to visit your MIL, make more of an effort".

I'm fluent in her language, so that's not the problem. I think LRDtheFeministDragon makes a valid point about the cultural issue - certainly in the rural community she lives in, it's common for "children" to stay in the house (or at the most across the road) well into adulthood. I know MIL has always dreamed we've move in with her (there's a self-contained flat in her house), but we had that discussion a long time ago and I think she's understood that it won't happen (as much because DH doesn't want to as because I don't).

It's a 6-hour journey to see my parents, 2 flights. But to be honest, I also go for longer because I have lots of people to see there apart from parents. It's just nice being in my own country a few weeks of the year, much as I like it here. Because MIL is retired, she forgets my parents still have full-time jobs, so when I'm "visiting them", they're often out at work and I'm out in the car visiting friends/generally relaxing, not sitting with them on the sofa drinking tea all week.

We do both work, RobinScherbatsky, both full-time. DH has a long commute and neither of us are home before 7pm. I also run my own business in my "spare time". When I visit my own parents I can work from there, but MIL doesn't like me working from her place (fair enough, it's her house after all), which is another reason why we don't go more often.

I think both DH and I have to learn to be a bit more assertive, that's true. We both hate conflict and I'm from a family where everyone is quite laid-back in their expectations, so that's hard to adjust to, even after all of those years.

Thank you for reading. I know it was a bit of a ramble!

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