To wonder why on earth you would not vaccinate your DCs?

[olimpia]

I hear from another thread that some people choose not to vaccinate their DCs at all and I'm genuinely interested to hear why because I can't think of a single reason not to. I can perhaps understand opting out of the MMR if someone believes the bad press (not that I do) but all the other vaccinations? Why, oh why?
(not a troll! Just relatively new to MN)

So you believe that I am just so gullible and that everyone else in the documentary was lying? However, I found the people who were interviewed were very convincing, (far more so than Wakefield) and I doubt they all had shares in whatever companies you mention. Why would I want to read his book - it is hardly likely to be unbiased, is it?

You are welcome to your despair. Just be grateful that there are so many vaccinated children, that yours don't have to be.

You only have to look at what happened to Andrew Wakefield. He was never anti-vaccination, he only merely said that more research was needed.

The minute the vaccine word is mentioned, its like the Godwin's law, except its for "Wakefield is a fraudster" spin instead of nazis.

Except I don't think anyone had mentioned Wakefield (sorry, I haven't read the whole thread) until perception said, 'you only have to look at what happened to Andrew Wakefield. He was never anti-vaccination, he only merely said that more research was needed.' Which might be the Godwin equivalent to 'look what happened to poor old Hitler'.

'Just be grateful that there are so many vaccinated children, that yours don't have to be.'

That old chestnut. I don't rely on anyone for anything, but I refuse to comply with anything that makes no sense. And whatever you say, there is not one person on this thread who would not put the needs of their individual child first (that's how it should be). People have their children vaccinated because they assume they won't be affected.

It was necessary for Andrew Wakefield to be brought down spectacularly by the authorities. So much so that the main points he made were lost entirely.

can i just point out that gps also get huge bonuses for reaching targets with vaccination levels,if it falls below a certain amount they dont get that bonus,so i wouldn't think asking for your gps opinion on whether you should vaccinate or not is really a good idea.

You watched the documentary and believed every word - in order to be educated on the other side of the story, you would need to read Wakefield's book.

I know, just so gullible, me. It was, however, an excellent documentary - far better than many I have seen. Did Wakefield have a good name before it? I don't know. He was certainly in the public eye and the documentary answered many of the questions that had already been raised regarding Wakefield's research. No, I do not need to read Wakefield's book.

I'm just so glad that someone gets to sue the pants off several someone elses, in the state of Texas rather than dealing with the sycophantic good-old-boy's system in the UK.

The problem with 'sueing the pants' is that it gives a far greater vested interest in the outcome than owning shares in a drug company for which developing vaccines may be just a small part of overall work.

I was going to, but now you have spoken to me like that, I don't think I will bother.

Does anyone have access to this article?

www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e3769

The comments are quite interesting.

The trouble with some anti-vaxers on this thread is that they are scathing of those who do trust medical professionals and state that we should not take their word at face value, which is actually true. HOWEVER, they seem happy to take their anti-vax articles and links at face value too. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. I don't mind if you choose not to vax - no skin off my nose - but spreading lies is dangerous. I respect your decision, so respect mine to trust those who know me best. I will feel exactly the same way when I have children.

Er the only article I have linked to is from the BMJ??

(Not an anti-vaxer anyway - had I been I don't suppose ds1 would have been vaccinated)

Leonie - do you mind if I PM you my email address?

Spreading Lies?Who is spreading lies?

saintly I wasn't talking about you. Those sorts of links are fairly respectable.

Lies such as; people with autoimmune disorders shouldn't have vaccinations.

Hm, well the article below is from the Lancet and discusses autoimmune conditions and vaccination. It's rather pro-vaccination, but I think makes it clear that the question isn't without controversy. Of course if you have a family history that is chock-a-block with auto-immune conditions you may feel somewhat differently than someone who doesn't have that family history.

The immune system is still very poorly understood - it's incredibly complex and there is still a lot to learn. I look forward to more research as it may provide us with some answers as to what happened to ds1. (not that it really matter for him, his life is what it is, - would be useful information if ds2 and ds3 have children though - ds1 obviously won't).

image.thelancet.com/extras/02art9340web.pdf

And an abstract regarding vaccination and autoimmune conditions.

Hmm interesting.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15196997

Darn it forgot to tick the box

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15196997