To wonder why on earth you would not vaccinate your DCs?

[olimpia]

I hear from another thread that some people choose not to vaccinate their DCs at all and I'm genuinely interested to hear why because I can't think of a single reason not to. I can perhaps understand opting out of the MMR if someone believes the bad press (not that I do) but all the other vaccinations? Why, oh why?
(not a troll! Just relatively new to MN)

Leonie saying that less aggressively makes your point much much stronger isywim?

Even in the US where vaccination uptake is very high, there are still outbreaks of measles sometimes.

Lurking, the whooping cough vaccine provides very limited protection do you could very easily have contracted it from a child (or an adult!) who had been vaccinated but is no longer immune.

I agree that you should read the rest of the thread to try to understand why compulsory vaccination would be a bad idea.

That's a very good point cote! Lurking, why weren't you vaccinated against whooping cough yourself?

I was was against whooping cough as a child...I have had it twice, nonce as a toddler (was very very Ill) and once as an adult (was 33).
As I understand it the vax is only effective for 80% of the population?

I too love Chanel Chance. I first smelt it in a Duty free shop years ago and DH went to buy it for me at Christmas but accidentally got me Chanel Madamoiselle instead as he couldnt remember which one it was.

Best mistake he ever made - absolutely love it and so does he. turns him into some sort of Mills and Boon corset ripping type character.

Disclaimer. It only has that effect on him when l am wearing it . or so he tells me .

Wrong thread ! As you were

bloody slow internet made me do it

Interesting whooping cough figures here

"The researchers reported the following vaccination effectiveness according to age:
2-7 years - 41%

8-12 years - 24%

13-18 years - 79%
As shown above, vaccine effectiveness dropped considerably in the 8-12 year age-group."

Interesting, came across this article today Italians Courts rules the MMR vaccine has caused autism

Yes, Lady. Funny how it wasn't publicised so much over here. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.

Genuine question for those who know about vaccine damage - what causes the damage is it the metal from the needle or the components of the vaccine? Is it a pre disposition or could it happen after having a set of vaccines?

I'm really looking for information as DS has a lot of needles, and gets given the flu jab and extra vaccines not normally offered (such as the pneumococcal/swine flu/regular flu/TB vaccine). We have always gone along with these vaccines, alongside his regular vaccines, and over the course of his life he will have boosters too. We choose this and whilst we realise it would only offer limited protection, I am just also pondering the rates of vaccine damage and whether this would be likely to increase with the overuse of needles or not.

If anyone knows the answer to the questions I would be most grateful.

Needles don't have anything to do with it. Otherwise, you would get loads of reactions from acupuncture for example or whenever needles are used for other things (let's say injection of painkillers for example). Which is not the case.

So it is linked with the components of the vaccine but to be fair, no one knows exactly what.
It could be the use of heavy metals in some of them.
it could be the reaction of the body to a foreign body (bacteria live or not).
It could be that having several vaxs at once is too much for the body to cope with....

I wasn't vaccinated as a baby because my father didn't agree with them. I had whooping cough, both me and my brother caught measles and chicken pox neither of which were particularly serious. As an adult I decided to have some vaccinations because I travelled. The first time I presented myself for the jabs the practice nurse read me a lecture about not having them as a baby. I said nothing but quietly thought that she was wasting her breath - she should have taken it up with my father 20 years earlier.

With my own children I was annoyed by a health visitor who declared that all children who get whooping cough get brain damage. Both me and DH have had it, and as far as I know we aren't brain damaged, (unless it prevented us from being geniuses of course).

I was vaccinated as a child. :)

I appreciate you have different opinions to me but there is no need to be so aggressive.

I have a very weak immune system due to health issues (was a very healthy kid before I became so ill) I just don't believe I and others like me should be subjugated to nasty illness' that land us in hospital because of other people's choices.

I have an excellent diet, exercise regularly and take multivitamins.

This is just my opinion, no need to take it so personally. Everyone has a choice, but I have a right to disagree with your choices, just as you do with my opinion that vaccs should be forced.

FYI: I never used the words 'poisoned me,' it's not the kid's fault I've contracted so many 'eradicated' diseases.

I had all childhood diseases, with no problems. So did everyone I knew and their friends and their parents and relatives.

When I was a child, there was no such thing as vaccination for childhood diseases. There was also no such thing as mumps outbreaks in universities.

Lurking - If you were vaccinated as a child and got the whooping cough as an adult, clearly there is a problem with the argument "children have to be vaccinated so adults don't get diseases". Aside from the real problem - that it is totally unreasonable to load this responsibility on tiny children, who, if left to have these diseases at early ages, will have them much lighter than adults and be immune for life.

Also, if you know you have a weak immune system, you should regularly check your immunity to diseases you haven't had and get re-vaccinated if necessary.

YABU to expect tiny babies around the world to be vaccinated en masse just so you don't get childhood diseases.

Yes, some people are happy to travel through those countries without being vaccinated.

It seems highly irresponsible to me-risk for yourself is understandable but not for your child.

I don't really understand your 'being excluded from certain jobs' comment. Iirc if you are going into healthcare you need to have a hepatitis vaccination. They don't immediately exclude anyone who wasn't given that vaccine as a baby (we don't give it routinely in the UK) they just give it to them as an adult.

I thought that I had already explained that it was a question of all vaccinations being up to date. It was a 12 week placement and she would have lost it-there are hundreds of others who would have been ready to take her place.

If you are starting next week I don't think that you would suddenly want lots of vaccinations and they wouldn't be able to do them all at once!

Lurking, with respect, it is up to you to ensure that your immunity/vaccine status remains topped up. It is not the job of small children to protect you.

The whooping cough vaccine, in particular, has a ridiculously low efficacy rate.

My dd1 has been damaged by vaccines. Why would I line up dd2, and as-yet-unborn dc3 to potentially suffer the same fate, when you could get your immunity checked for yourself, and keep on top of it all? It is not my children's job to suffer (loads of gut issues in the family, and allergies, and dd2 has some interesting mito results which also indicate vaccination would be a risky thing) instead of you. It is in your power to do something about it - ensure you you get boosters where necessary. Dd1 will never get her health back, and that's without even going into the daily pain, confusion and fear she faces (which impact on all of us too, but she is the one who bears the brunt of it)

I have been re-vaccinated. Repeatedly over the years. Whooping cough was just the latest example. I also take medicine for my immune system.

I don't believe it's U for me to want to be around children without ending up in hospital.

I'm going to agree to disagree, I see this is a very heated thread. I have stated my opinion, it's not going to change and neither is anyone elses.

Hiding thread now, apologies for any offence caused but just like you, this is something I feel very, very strongly about.

Off to bed now, night ladies!

Yes, I'm afraid YABU to expect the entire children population of the world to be vaccinated as babies to protect you from all childhood diseases.

If vaccines don't work on you (how???) then maybe wear wear a mask when you go out.

It's not a heated thread at all. Hang around AIBU and you will see what I mean.

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when i was a child, i didn't wear a seatbelt. neither did my friends or their parents or their relatives.

none of them had any problems