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to think Camila Batmanghelidjh is fucking awesome?

448 replies

bejeezus · 04/07/2012 10:50

I saw her talk on a news programme last night...

shes so composed and articulate, and clear-sighted and insightful and compassionate and calm and stylish and unique...

and the work she does/ what she acheives is OUTSTANDING..

heres a link to her wiki page...but it doesnt do her any justice

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camila_Batmanghelidjh

OP posts:
BoffinMum · 08/08/2015 12:37

Is it just me or is everyone else fed up with Messiah-complex types hijacking all the money and attention?

FatherReboolaConundrum · 08/08/2015 12:38

No, it's not just you.

anonacfr · 08/08/2015 12:42

I found her appearance at the March yesterday rather tasteless. All those people chanting her name- it was very Pope-like. I was almost expecting them to start kissing her hand and waiting to be blessed.

And then she swanned off in her chauffeur-driven car and left them to it...

BoffinMum · 08/08/2015 12:45

I did get a confession recently from a central protagonist of the Tory blob offensive that 'actually, I see now that it's quite hard setting up and running schools'.

No.Shit.Sherlock.

limitedperiodonly · 08/08/2015 12:53

Thanks for your post Werksallhourz. That is the way it works and it is very difficult to question even quite clearly dodgy claims once someone gets a head of steam behind them.

I remember saying 20 years ago that Heather Mills's tales didn't stand up and I didn't think we should be using her as a spokeswoman for disabled people, homeless people, plucky young entrepreneurs, survivors of abuse, vegans etc.

Neither should we have taken her damaging statements about her parents, former boyfriends, the police motorcyclist who hit her in an accident, medical staff who treated her or even Sir Thumbs Aloft as gospel.

I was told I was a big meanie by people who didn't want to break the spell.

I am resigned to being a Cassandra - always right, never believed Wink

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/08/2015 12:58

I do wish some Cassandra (maybe Werkz or Limited) would write a sodding great expose of Queen Camila's personality cult.

limitedperiodonly · 08/08/2015 13:00

I did get a confession recently from a central protagonist of the Tory blob offensive that 'actually, I see now that it's quite hard setting up and running schools'. No.Shit.Sherlock.

Was he being serious? I suppose he was.

I have no medical or social work training. Yet I can see how running a care home for elderly people involves a bit more than providing a sunny day room with the telly turned up loud and tuned to The Chase and soft food.

However, a friend with the same lack of experience but even less imagination than me, but who'd come into a large inheritance, was outlining his plans to set up the first in a chain of care homes, all farmed out by the Department of Health.

In the end he didn't go ahead with it. He's not an unfeeling bastard either, but it was terrifying that he thought he could do it.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/08/2015 13:03

Any Questions is coming up now on Radio4. I listened to it last night and there was a segment re CB and KC. All the panel thought she was doing 'wonderful work' etc.

I do wish some of the more articulate posters on here would ring Any Answers, which is broadcast immediately afterwards, to raise some of the points that have been made here.

hackmum · 08/08/2015 13:05

Also agree with Werksallhourz and Limited - as a journo, you're always looking for people willing to say something quotable at short notice. And often the way you do that is to look for the person quoted in other articles on the same topic. It's self-perpetuating.

limitedperiodonly · 08/08/2015 13:08

YY re second-generation woo merchant.

I noticed that about her father and his miracle water cure BoreOfWhabylon

It's all there if you have eyes to see. You have to be willing to use them though.

I find it interesting that it was Michael Gove who seems to have been the instigator in the wheels coming off her bandwagon seeing as he's keen on meddling without any concrete experience or training.

Perhaps he couldn't take the competition or get away with the costumes.

ComposHatComesBack · 08/08/2015 13:09

or even Sir Thumbs Aloft as gospel.

It always made me laugh when Smash Hits referred to him as Macca Wacky Thumbs Aloft.

FatherReboolaConundrum · 08/08/2015 13:14

And of course the people most likely to give and interview/provide a handy quote/write a short piece are likely to be the people with time on their hands, i.e. the people who aren't doing the serious work in their field. I and a lot of other colleagues in my research area are constantly turning down media requests because we're up against a research deadline/teaching/finalising a grant application. There's one colleague who is all over the media like a nasty rash. He has about 3 students and almost no research background so - surprise, surprise - yes, he can be at the TV studio at an hour's notice in the middle of the week.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/08/2015 13:15

And of course one of CB's greatest supporters is none other than Royal woo-afficionado The Prince of Wales.

Destined to be known after he finally ascends to the throne (on his zimmer frame) as Charles The Credulous.

FatherReboolaConundrum · 08/08/2015 13:21

Didn't know that Bore but that's one of the least surprising things I've ever read. Another person who seems to think that being rich and/or posh and/or famous qualifies you to pronounce on things they know nothing about. I'm sure that's one of the reasons CB was so successful with the rich - she speaks their language of disdain for the grey, tedious little people who know stuff and have professional expertise as opposed to a head full of self-importance, a pocket full of cash, and an entourage of people fawning over you.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/08/2015 13:32

They go back a long way FatherR

www.standard.co.uk/news/prince-charless-day-on-the-other-side-of-the-tracks-6717082.html

(love the name, btw - can't help wondering what Mrs Doyle would make of CB Grin

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 08/08/2015 13:35

Oh, come off it. One of the many positive things the charity did was to organise legal representation for children and families to enforce their statutory right to local authority support. If LAs had to be ordered by courts to carry out the duties for which they received specific funding, what makes you think they would voluntarily have done any better in providing the type of support that KC organised?

Why do you think local authorities were raising their thresholds so high? Because they are meanies who don't care about children? It's because they are underfunded! Thresholds are high because we cannot do the lower risk work, and sometimes cases aren't assessed when they should be, or are closed when they shouldn't be, and in those cases legal challenge is correct. However the reason legal challenge is needed is because local authorities are under funded.

I reject the narrative that local authorities are appalling at safeguarding vulnerable children. There are failings but it is not across the board. Often it is due to under funding or other support services being cut which puts pressure on statutory services.

I am reserving judgement on kids company until more is known but I am highly suspicious. I don't believe there are hordes of abused and neglected children who kids co were protecting because children services couldn't be bothered. I'm sure they worked with children on cp plans and probably spent far more time with them than their social workers did but that's not the same as mopping up where statutory services have abandoned them.

Because they had a policy of accepting every child they probably had hundreds of chdren attending who were not being abused or neglected but who were just poor or bored at home. Those kids probably got a lot out of KC but that doesn't mean they warrant millions of public funding. There was a single dad quoted in a buzzfeed article moaning that he sends his kids there during the holidays so he can go to work and saying now he will have to sign on! Hello? How do most lone parents on a low income manage? I never had free childcare supplied by a friendly charity!

The charity may have reached a number of children who were genuinely at risk of significant harm and may have done a lot of good over the years. But providing free childcare and activities to kids who are just bored, broke urban kids is hardly what CB sells it as.

Also - with Rochdale and Oxford so recent in our history, child sexual exploitation is a HUGE issue in both statutory and voluntary sectors who work with teens and pre teens. For KC to say they have had no concerns to raise, never seen indicators of grooming or CSE in their premises is extraordinary and impossible. I acknowledge that we (all sectors) used to be woeful at identifying and acting on CSE but not any more. I struggle to forgive the idea of a charity providing wide scale interventions to young people without being aware of and acting on indicators of abuse from clients to other clients.

FatherReboolaConundrum · 08/08/2015 13:37

I suspect she would be very:

to think Camila Batmanghelidjh is fucking awesome?
hackmum · 08/08/2015 13:43

I've just read back to the beginning of this thread. I was fascinated to read Himalaya's post from July 2012:

'She is great and a complete one-off.

'I think that is why Kids Company isn't modelled by other Councils around the country. Kids Company is Camilla. You couldn't pay another professional to work the way she does and to love the kids the way she does (and in fact Kids Company burns through professional staff quite quickly).

'There is the same thing with finances. She is great at raising money from different sources, but it means that no body really knows the full cost per child of the service they offer. I think if you added it up properly most Councils would say "we just can't afford that".'

Interesting that Himalaya's first line about her being great is rather undercut by the next two paras about burning through professional staff and no-one knowing the full cost per child. So the signs were there three years ago.

limitedperiodonly · 08/08/2015 13:43

child sexual exploitation is a HUGE issue in both statutory and voluntary sectors who work with teens and pre teens. For KC to say they have had no concerns to raise, never seen indicators of grooming or CSE in their premises is extraordinary and impossible.

I wondered at that. It happens. Predators will be attracted to places where young people gather, and if they are vulnerable and easily discredited because they're not 'nice' or articulate young people, they will do it all the more.

It's not the organisation's fault that incidents happen or are attempted. It's the way they deal with it that counts.

Saying it never happens is about as believable as a school head teacher who insists that she's never had a case of bullying.

BertrandRussell · 08/08/2015 14:05

"I'm sure that's one of the reasons CB was so successful with the rich - she speaks their language of disdain for the grey, tedious little people who know stuff and have professional expertise"

Oh yes- this! And this again.

LuluJakey1 · 08/08/2015 14:21

I find the way she dresses dishonest and I feel there is an agenda behind it- other than nothing in shops fitting her.

Her 'clothes' look almost tribal African. She is not African. However, many of the mothers in the families Kids Company worked with are African or of African background. I suspect there is a manipulation here by CB to make her seem more 'like' them and so win them over. She reminds me of the saying 'When someone tells you/ shows you who they really are, listen to them'. CB is telling us exactly who she really is and has been showing us for years. She is a fraud, a charlotan.

Her behaviour yesterday on that march made my flesh crawl. She was loving the hero- worship of it all and accepting the hugs and kisses and hand- holding, arm- linking of the shouting women who were behaving as if they were meeting an idol! I found it sickening and ill-considered behaviour but am unsurprised that CB embraced it and welcomed it. It would appeal to her view of herself. She has awful judgement.

I am sick of hearing her hinting at 'dark secrets' she 'knows' about and saying that is why she is being victimised. I am sick of seeing the crying without any tears at all. I hear nothing but emotive language from her.

The more I see of her the more appalled I am and the more sure there will be further revelations. I would not have her anywhere near DS.

Binit · 08/08/2015 14:32

Lulu that assessment is spot on IMO. I went to an event where she was.

I am not surprised people hero worship her when she hands out cash.

Also agree re the dark secrets. Get those secrets to the police then, don't use them as blackmail!

Tiredemma · 08/08/2015 14:35

I remember a thread about her on here quite some years ago. Obviously a huge amount of Mnetters thought she was amazing at the time (and KC was certainly getting a lot of positive press then). Someone came on who said they had a 'working knowledge of KC and that young men/boys were known to turn up to the venue with knives/guns which they used as 'protection' from rival gang members. CB and her staff knew of this and did very little to stop it.
I had a negative view from it at that point yet when I mentioned it anywhere you would think I was being blasphemous.
My MIL sister owns her own business and is very successful. At Christmas she would make a point of telling close family members that instead of presents she would like a donation to be made to KC. Indeed just last year their mother passed away and it was stipulated at the funeral- no flowers please, donate to KC.
When I mentioned all the recent issues with KC to my MIL recently she was horrified.
So in essence, it's an organisation that I lacked trust in quite a while ago.
CB swanning around in the protest yesterday was vomit inducing.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 08/08/2015 14:45

The ones the social workers have time for which is presumably about 1 in 1000 of those in need leaves an awful lot of others that KC could help

1 in 1000? Do you really believe that for every 1 child supported by children's services there are 999 who need the support but are ignored? There are not enough children in the UK for that to be true!

My team alone (and we are a small local authority, and do not cover all areas of children's social care) hold almost 1000 children. Add on at lease another 500 in other teams and you've got 1500 children open to us. Multiply that by 999 and you have 1.5m children. even the idea that we are only working wit half the eligible children is statistically improbable and simply not true.

BoffinMum · 08/08/2015 15:05

Yes, Obsidian says, there are only something like 1m children in each age group in the UK, so 13m of school age. If she is claiming she helps 36000 and this is one in a thousand, then we are talking about 36m in total, which is approaching half the UK population. The numbers are a complete fiction therefore, even if you argued every child needed help. Only 1% - 5% will at best, I imagine.

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