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to think Camila Batmanghelidjh is fucking awesome?

448 replies

bejeezus · 04/07/2012 10:50

I saw her talk on a news programme last night...

shes so composed and articulate, and clear-sighted and insightful and compassionate and calm and stylish and unique...

and the work she does/ what she acheives is OUTSTANDING..

heres a link to her wiki page...but it doesnt do her any justice

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camila_Batmanghelidjh

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LurkingHusband · 07/08/2015 16:03

Lurking, in the darkest recesses of my mind I have a feeling I heard something along those lines said at work. It is suddenly sounding very familiar.

Sorry, I can talk an awful lot (although painfully shy with cripplingly low self esteem in real life). Not sure what particular load of old toot of mine you mean Smile

limitedperiodonly · 07/08/2015 16:11

I was with you until you said 'left wing luvvie' peggyundercrackers

She's right wing and a big supporter of David Cameron's nebulous Big Society idea which supports unaccountable individuals being given public cash while being able to experiment their theories on 'the poor' and 'society' and 'education' outside an accountable frame work.

Wolpertinger · 07/08/2015 16:21

Agreed, she is very far from a left wing luvvie. She is fully bought in to the idea that public services are crap and should be broken up, and inspired individuals should be empowered to set up their own charities to do the work instead because that inspired individual is just sooo important.

It's the same logic that gives us free schools instead of just making normal schools good.

This article entertainingly calls it Bonoism Grin It's an offshoot of Blairism but the current Tories have embraced it over and over again (A4E, Kids Company, free schools and academies, breaking up the NHS etc etc).

www.slideshare.net/conormccabe/creative-classfinlayson

TheDietStartsTomorrow · 07/08/2015 16:21

I can't see what's so 'fucking awesome' about someone who is charismatic but has hired 5 PAs and is alleged to have been involved in fraud in the charity that she is managing.

LuluJakey1 · 07/08/2015 16:24

According to The Guardian she has had a £30,000 pay rise in the last 4 years- (data from published Kids Company records)

Shameful. She has had a 33% pay rise (funded by the Tory givernment and her pal David Cameron) at a time when public servants have had 1% a year.

Teenagers referring themselves to a charity that never turns anyone away and hands out envelopes of money every week to them with few questions asked- it is appalling.

She has ignored warnings and advice from the charity trustees- two of whom resigned because of the way she handles the finances and her refusal to listen to advice.

Why are people taken in by her? She is a self- serving, self- satisfied disgrace who seems to think this is all about her (and that is exactly how she ran this charity). We have not heard the last of this- much more will emerge.

limitedperiodonly · 07/08/2015 16:49

I don't understand why her charity received so much funding when others didn't...

Don't you? I think membership of the right wing Centre for Social Justice which is committed to taking responsibility and funding for social affairs from the public sector and putting it into the hands of colourful philanthropists, might have had a bit to do with it.

coffeenowalnuts · 07/08/2015 16:51

TheDietStartsTomorrow Look at the date of the original post.

limitedperiodonly · 07/08/2015 17:21

Interesting debate on Radio 4 PM now.

It's too late but you can probably get it on catch up.

FarFromAnyRoad · 07/08/2015 17:24

Look at the date of the original post

And that's why I get so irate at revived zombie threads! Angry

LuluJakey1 · 07/08/2015 17:41

I think the issue with what happened to LA and social services and some of the children is that LA and Social Services have bench marks for need and cases are referred to them by either education, health, neighbours , nurseries etc. They will not accept just any case.

Kids Company allows children and parents to self- refer. An example would be the two parents I have seen on TV speaking up for CB.

One had referred herself and her child because he was being bullied at school. She had refused to send him to school because social services would only buy him a pair of cheaper trainers and he wanted a named brand. Social sevices view was the trainers it would fund were fine and the trainers were not at the bottom of the bullying. Her view was he was not going back to school until he had the 'right' trainers. Kids Company gave her the money for the 'right' trainers, and for taxis to go and get them.

The other had referred both her children because they lacked confidence. Kids compay has funded one to one counselling and given her a link worker for the last 6 years, initially for one child and then for both. She said 'Social services would not fund that counselling. If I need anything- with Kids Company, I just contact my link worker and she sorts it out for me and I get it for my children'.

It is a shocking way to run a charity. Fund anything that anyone asks for.

Today the papers are full of allegations that staff have told them of incidents where they have been assaulted by teenagers/ family members and have been pressured by CB to not report this to police, also that men who have attended events supposedly to support teenagers have offered them money for sex (now being investigated by police). CB claims this is all untrue although has admitted the clients of Kids Company do 'hurl chairs and snooker balls but that is how they are because of their problems. If staff want to report it to the police that is up to them'. One of said clients who assaulted a member of staff with a snooker ball is now in prison for murder. Notice she is not supporting her staff, just saying it is up to them and she is excusing such assaults.

This is where this unregulated operation of services ends up. Of course, it suits the government to have provision out of the responsibility of public services. But the danger is you end up with nutters involved who do not follow rules and regulations and no one holds them to account and infact we are conned by them. Jimmy Saville for example amongst others.

We shall see where this one ends up. I am dreading to think what will emerge.

Toughasoldboots · 07/08/2015 17:43

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FarFromAnyRoad · 07/08/2015 17:54

Maybe so Tough - but having done that a new thread should have been started. In my ever so 'umble opinion, of course.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 07/08/2015 17:54

.......and to think under all that colourful clothing she's actually "Camila Brucewayneghelidjh"

Grin

Thank you!

FarFromAnyRoad · 07/08/2015 17:57

I think that's a fair comparison Lulu in as much as it illustrates, once again, that a big intimidating personality whom everyone is afraid to offend can pretty much do as they please and often with the blessing of those in so-called power.
It is, I agree, going to get interesting.

Moanranger · 07/08/2015 17:59

I have never been taken with her. Improving the plight of troubled children is hard, demoralising & sometimes soul-destroying work. CB always seemed to imply that she had some special, magical fairy dust she sprinkled on troubled kids and they somehow mysteriously got much better.
I never believed it.
It turns out the fairy dust was brown envelopes of cash. It is all very sad. There are plenty of desperately needy children out there who need real long-term support in the form of well-trained social workers doing the hard work needed to make a difference & I am sorry to say this is not what Kids Company provided.

drudgetrudy · 07/08/2015 18:08

A lot of food for thought here. David Cameron has been foolish IMO. He is wedded to the idea of a small state-so LAs and NHS are starved of cash. He then gives shed-loads away to unaccountable charities (big society) and is taken in by people who have the hubris to think they have special powers to solve the problems and appear charismatic.

He should be taking advice from people with a strong evidence based practice and clearly defined, costed priorities.
He has shown a lot of naivety. I hope he reads some of the posts on here.
Someone bring them to his attention if you have his ear.

limitedperiodonly · 07/08/2015 19:51

I think reviving the thread was legitimate in this instance FarFromAnyRoad

kellyandthecat · 07/08/2015 19:57

I attended an event where she spoke once and was very impressed. Disappointing to find her corrupt

Gemauve · 07/08/2015 20:09

Disappointing to find her corrupt

Hold your horses. I think the accusations on the table at the moment are charlatanism, incompetence and poor self-evaluation, possibly with a slight air of entitled CEO who sees their rewards as only their fair due, plus a large dose of messiah complex who can save everyone. I don't think she's been accused of being corrupt, or indeed cynical; I'm not sure if her absolute certainty that she's right makes it better or worse than her being a cynical fraud (the same question as one asks of "mediums") but I don't think there's yet been any suggestion of corruption.

Want2bSupermum · 07/08/2015 23:36

£3 million has disappeared. Someone is corrupt. As the leader she takes responsibility.

IPityThePontipines · 08/08/2015 00:03

"This is where this unregulated operation of services ends up. Of course, it suits the government to have provision out of the responsibility of public services. But the danger is you end up with nutters involved who do not follow rules and regulations and no one holds them to account and infact we are conned by them. Jimmy Saville for example amongst others.

We shall see where this one ends up. I am dreading to think what will emerge."

The state of many nursing homes and private prisons would provide a hefty clue.

Werksallhourz · 08/08/2015 02:12

Been wondering whether to post or not, but bugger it ... I will be a bit vague to avoid outing myself.

I had misgivings about KC and CB when I first came across KC back in the early noughties. I telephone-interviewed CB for a vox pop to go with a piece I was writing. A colleague gave me her name.

Because that is how this kind of thing works. All it needs is for a journo or editor to meet an "expert" and for that "expert" to be up for interacting with the media, always coming back to you with a quote very quickly or agreeing to write a short piece at 24 hours notice, and that expert then becomes seen as a reliable source. Journos them use them over and over, and then other editors and journos start to use them because they have become a go-to "name" for quick quotes and opinions on a subject.

As a result, said expert's media exposure spreads and they become seen as even more of an "expert" because the media treats them like one. This effect then spreads to other arenas: governmental, corporate responsibility, the public lecture circuit et al. The "expert" becomes an expert because everyone believes they are one.

As far as I can tell, this is what CB did. She prioritised press in the early days of KC and just rode the wave. And that is probably why no one questioned anything because everyone just presumed KC and CB had been previously "vetted" by someone else.

With KC and CB, you have to remember that editors want an "expert" voice on inner-city problems that isn't academic or governmental when a relevant story comes up for reasons of "balance". CB filled this gap perfectly.

But I came across KC a lot earlier than most, and had reservations from the beginning.

For a start, I couldn't figure out what KC did or how they managed to get inner city "youth" through their doors. The name of the charity itself sounded like some sort of soft play venue for six year olds, so I initially assumed they catered for primary-school-aged children. When I was told they targeted an older demographic, it didn't seem to make sense. I couldn't figure out how you could attract gang-related, street-wise, speed-garage-attuned teens (as they were then) if you were called kids company. The branding seemed too childish for a teen demographic, let alone a teen demographic that tended to be thrust into the harsher aspects of the adult world from an early age.

I also couldn't figure out what exactly KC did with these young people, and no-one could give me a clear answer. When I considered some of the practical work Connexions was doing in SE London, KC seemed rather adrift and fluffy -- and the one thing their target demographic wasn't was fluffy.

One thing that really niggled me was the way CB dressed. To colleagues, she was "colourful" or "eccentric", but, to me, she looked as though she was co-opting the traditional dress of a West African woman, a style that has also influenced certain cultural expressions of black pride and black identity in the UK and US, and a style that was very common amongst the congregations of evangelical African churches in South East London at the time. As she was of Iranian heritage, I couldn't shake off the feeling that she had knowingly chosen to echo some of those memes and it made me feel uneasy, particularly in light of her charity's focus on young, black, inner-city youths and her status as a "voice" for those youths. I felt that she was appropriating a culture to convey an image of herself that wasn't accurate, and was using that persona in a way that struck me as dubious and slightly fraudulent.

Of course, I couldn't say anything like this at the time. You really couldn't criticise a charitable endeavour back then, and a charity personality was totally off limits, so I swallowed my disquiet. Yet every time I saw her on TV, I still got the feeling that something wasn't right.

Having said all that, I am still shocked by these recent revelations about KC. It goes way beyond what I thought possible.

Tenieht · 08/08/2015 02:56

You can see how people were roped in by her though, she had the ideal lefties cause, bags of charisma, fairy godmother clothes and everyone saying what "amazing work" she was doing, as that's what she said she was doing herself. However little seems to have been more than a personality cult and people loving the liberally distributed cash handouts by the fairy godmother to people who would queue up and then spend it on booze and drugs. And 600 folk on the payroll. No wonder many were happy! I have been suspicious of her for ages.

Gemauve · 08/08/2015 04:19

£3 million has disappeared. Someone is corrupt. As the leader she takes responsibility.

No it hasn't. Look, as is clear from my posting on this topic, I hold no brief for her: I think she's a charlatan and a self-deluding menace, and the trustees have been even more badly behaved (Botney's performance on C4 news was, like Mark Thompson's in front of the select committee, another proof that the BBC has a habit of over-paying the profoundly mediocre).

However, there is no suggestion of financial corruption, merely merely catastrophic incompetence.

The government gave them £3m to restructure with. They used it for payroll. They turned out to be insolvent and, like everyone else, the government want to be paid or repaid. At the point of liquidation unpaid wages are very high up the list of preferences, so the use of the money for payroll would have happened anyway. Money has not "disappeared". At the very, very worst, it looks like fraudulent trading: continuing to trade when the directors did or should have known that the company was insolvent.

Gemauve · 08/08/2015 04:27

For a start, I couldn't figure out what KC did or how they managed to get inner city "youth" through their doors.

I think it's going to turn out that they didn't. The demonstration yesterday was very telling: some primary age children, some parents, no-one else. It's going to turn out they were running a playgroup and a bit of wraparound care, with a small amount of casework with a small number of clients, and the handing out of money to teenagers was a smokescreen to provide scale. It's also telling that sensible local councils with no reason to get involved beyond the immediate practical problems are saying that they do not anticipate any significant issues arising from the closure.

I think we'll find it was a Potemkin Charity, with a lot of well-intentioned but ultimately incredibly naive people actually not doing very much.