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To ask for your support and advice for a distraught family?

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fluffyanimal · 27/06/2012 21:37

Reposting here because I need more traffic.
Hello MNers,
I'm hoping you can help. Long story first of all:

I live in rural Yorkshire. The catchment area for our village primary school (a Community School) comprises the majority of our village and large swathes of open countryside to the east, west and south of the village. It cuts off a small sliver of the north side of the village, primarily late 20th century housing developments (70s onwards), but these are quite clearly part of the village in terms of their immediate proximity to the rest of it, i.e. it is a natural spreading out of the village rather than an outcrop or an adjoining hamlet.
For many years there has not been a problem accommodating all the children who applied to our local school. However, recently there have been housing developments within the catchment area, and the year eligible for school entry in 2012 was a high birth year. Consequently, our school was oversubscribed for 2012.
Several families, some within catchment, some outwith catchment, some with siblings already in the school, did not get in straight away, but most of those have now got in as many on the waiting list accepted places at other schools. Until this happened, nobody realised that the catchment area for the school is how it is (it follows an archaic parish boundary).

There is now only one family in the village but in the small area that falls out of catchment whose child has not got into the school. They have gone to appeal and were not successful. This child attended the village pre-school, who took her on settling-in visits to the school. Her father is a parish councillor and school governor. The child has in the past been selectively mute and it is felt that she will regress if taken out of a familiar enviroment with children that she knows and that she had been led to expect through the pre-school. This is the main reason for wanting her to go to the village school; the neighbouring school where she has been given a place is a perfectly good school - it is the impact on her development that the family are concerned about.

I should add as well that although there have been housing developments within the school catchment area, there has not been the accompanying funding to enable the school to expand. The development stopped one house short of the number that would have triggered extra funding. The LA are targetting funding towards other schools in the area and appear to want to allocate places to those schools instead. We have been told by local councillors that if the headmistress with the support of the governors petitioned for more funding, this might make a difference, but they do not appear to want to do this.

My personal involvement is that the family concerned are my neighbours and because I also live in this part of the village that is out of catchment, my DS2 who is due to start school in 2013 may also be affected, even though DS1 already goes to the school.

The whole village has been conducting a campaign ever since the issue of oversubscription became known, not just since this family lost their appeal. Letters have been written to the LA, to the local MP, there have been meetings with parish councillors and school governors. One district councillor has been particularly active, acting as advocate during the appeal process. We have found a precedent with another school in the same LA that had to accept extra children this September when catchment was the objection. The next plan is to send objections to the Schools Adjudicator that there is a breach of admissions policy. This states that the catchment area must be reasonable and clearly defined (the northern boundary that cuts us off follows a beck whose course was moved when some houses were built and nobody knows if it follows the old course or the new course). It also states that there should be consultation on admissions policy once every 7 years and as far as we know this has not happened.

The issue has triggered a review of catchment, but the change to the area will not come into force until 2014 - too late for this family, who was one of the cases that brought it to light, and too late for my DS2.

The media is involved; the local papers have run stories, and we are now awaiting TV coverage from ITV's Daybreak, pending release of figures from the DfE on rejected appeals.

In the mean time we are trying to raise awareness on Twitter. If this story has interested you and you wouldn't mind supporting us, please tweet #supportthemilford1

Otherwise, if you have any more ideas on what could be done to help this little girl, whose family is on their knees with stress, please reply to this post.
Thank you.

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quoteunquote · 27/06/2012 21:51

I will be interested in the outcome, as our village school is propping up the local town which has out grown it's two tiny schools,

village children are being refused places, even with siblings already in place,

most people here go for the home school option, until a place becomes available, as people move on, it usually takes a year maximum.

good luck.

fluffyanimal · 27/06/2012 21:54

Thanks quoteunquote, not sure if the family have the option to home school as both of them are teachers themselves (at other schools).

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fluffyanimal · 27/06/2012 22:31

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fluffyanimal · 28/06/2012 08:47

Anyone?

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Downnotout · 28/06/2012 08:53

Perhaps post this in primary education. There have been lots of threads on there about appeals and I think the rules are very different for infant class size. I know some appeal panel members post on there so give it a go.

Sorry not much help.

fluffyanimal · 28/06/2012 08:56

Downnotout, I originally posted there, but the thread was hardly noticed, thought I would get more luck on AIBU but obviously not Sad
I just want people to tell me they'll tweet for us if they think it is a worthy cause.

Story just got aired on Radio Leeds this morning.

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fluffyanimal · 28/06/2012 10:56

BBC Leeds coverage of my neighbour's story: www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/p00tcg75 scroll to 54 minutes in.

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BlueFergie · 28/06/2012 11:17

I feel sorry for your neighbours and you. I can imagine it is a highly stressful situation. It does seem that you are doing everything you can and with any luck some accommodation will be found for this girl. As there is a solution from 2014, it does seem that only a handful of children will be effected and although not much consolation for the families involved this is a good thing. Maybe it will be more likely that they will make exceptions if they know it is just for these two years?
My advice is really for the particular family. If it was me I would be starting the process now of talking about the other school. Bringing her to see it, setting up play dates, talking very positively about how it may be this school she will go to. Pick out features that the local school doesn't have and highlight them. Ie bigger yard, classes, sports fields whatever.
If they reaally think that going to this school will set her back to selective muteness i would look seriously at home ed at least until 2014. If she ends up going to the other school I would keep a close eye on her and if she is slipping back I would take her out for home ed.
I know it's a different school with different people but kids are so resilient, she may be totally unfazed by it.
I do think this big campaign may have an effect in her though, so try and ensure she knows as little of it as possible, as it will effect her view of the school sh may have to attend.

fluffyanimal · 28/06/2012 11:26

Thanks BlueFergie wise words. They are taking exactly that line with their DD - as the mum says on the radio, now telling her about her new school and making it sound as exciting as possible.

I too hoped/still hope that the school would be flexible for this year and next year, given that the catchment will definitely change by 2014 but obviously am worrying that my DS will be in this position next year.

There is precedent, both within the village school and others in the same LA where ICS has been allowed to go to 31.

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janeyjampot · 28/06/2012 11:30

Just wanted to wish you luck, really. I am quite local to you and this seems to be a 'tip of the iceberg' issue. When I applied for my children (both in secondary now) only one local primary (Monk Fryston I think) was oversubscribed. Now many are because there has been a rapidly rising birthrate and the LA has not kept up with demand for school places. It's a national problem as well of course - this morning on the news they are talking about over demand leading to poorer care in maternity services. No one seems to have accounted for the higher birth rate.

fluffyanimal · 28/06/2012 11:44

Janey yes, Monk Fryston was always the most popular school. This year, several children on our school's waiting list accepted places at Monk Fryston which was not oversubscribed for once. Rising birth rate and increased housing development all over our area putting pressure on all kinds of resources, e.g. GPs. Thanks for your good wishes, if you're on Twitter would you tweet #supportthemilford1 ?

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lazyfish · 28/06/2012 15:28

We had a very similar situation when my eldest started primary school, but despite going to appeal, newspaper and radio campaigns, involvement of MP etc, the LEA refused to budge on accepting 30 children, due to what's called infant class size prejudice (despite always having taken 36 children before into mixed classes, and have now in fact reverted to 36 - this was the one year that missed out!).

My only advice would be to try and be positive about the alternative school, particularly to the child involved. My main fear was that my children would have a hard time fitting in when they didn't know anyone from pre-school etc, but they have done just fine. In fact, as it turns out, the school they go to has come on leaps and bounds, whereas the school we appealed to has gone downhill, but I know how stressful it was at the time and how it took over our lives so I do sympathise with the family.

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